Random Thoughts/Things?
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Random Thoughts/Things?
Random Thoughts/Things?
I wasn’t really sure what to call this thread, but I’ve had this idea floating around in my head for awhile now. Basically, anyone can post anything here. Any random thought you have, any random thing that happens to you, any random question that pops into your mind. Have fun, and don’t be afraid to be random.
submitted by Leeli
(January 11, 2019 - 8:20 am)
(January 11, 2019 - 8:20 am)
Anyone else ever listen to a song and just ~explode into a puddle of emotion~?
(December 28, 2023 - 2:51 pm)
all the time.
(December 30, 2023 - 5:24 pm)
Heyo!
(Jan 11, 2019)
by Poinsettia
(December 28, 2023 - 2:54 pm)
Somebody in the world liked ducks and beavers so much, they squished both animals together and named it a platypus.
(December 29, 2023 - 4:46 pm)
Not to argue, but a platypus is a living animal. You can't combine two animals while still keeping them alive. If a platypus was a duck and a beaver combined, it would be like a Jenny Haniver (which are fake mermaids, to be very concise) and not be alive.
(December 29, 2023 - 7:45 pm)
*sigh* logic
yeah, I know. I was just being funny :)
(December 29, 2023 - 8:33 pm)
so I was re-reading LOTR appendicies because yes and I discovered this absolutely random gem of information that I'm freaking out about for some reason~
apparently the Hobbit names in the books are anglicized versions of the original names, which makes sense. (I think they're origionally from Rohirric [also called Rohanese I think], the language of Rohan, which is analogous to Old English for us).
But that means 'Bilbo' was origionally 'Bilba'—'a' was a masculine ending, compared to the feminine 'o' and 'e'. And 'Frodo' was origionally 'Maura': this one's a bit more complicated, but basically 'maura' meant 'wisdom' in Rohirric, and 'fród' meant the same in Old English, and he merged them into 'Frodo'. And then you have a bunch of others like Samwise Gamgee, who's true name was 'Ban', shortened from 'Banazîr', translated into 'Samwise' and then shortened again into 'Sam.' The name Gamgee also has an interesting backstory but I can't remember that right now...
many place names follow some of the same rules, as well as surnames: 'Tûk' becoming 'Took', for example, to lend more familiarity to them.
this is really random but I think it's so cool how much worldbuilding and linguistic detail there is in the series, it's amazing :D
(December 29, 2023 - 6:44 pm)
What's more interesting about our dear old friend JRR Tolkien is the way that he framed his worldbuilding- basically, according to him the Hobbit (and LotR) were books that already existed and were written in Westron (basically Middle Earth's version of English). Tolkien himself was just a translator of the books from Westron into English (obviously he wrote them, but everything he wrote was from the perspective of him translating ancient Westron texts, if that makes sense). Which is actually pretty smart, right? Because if there are any details that don't make sense in a high fantasy setting, it can just be explained away as 'oh that was just part of the translation'. For example, a Christmas tree in the Hobbit? Does that mean that there was a Hobbit Jesus and Hobbit Christianity in Middle Earth? And if there is Christianity in Middle Earth why isn't it ever mentioned again in the books outside of this one passing mention of a Christmas tree? Well, the answer Tolkien had for that is the OG texts in Westron that he translated included some sort of wintertime holiday, and to make the translation more relatable to a modern, mainly Christian European 1940s audience he added the Christmas tree. Bam! Now he doesn't have to answer pointless continuity questions.
Now the naming conventions are interesting, because why does Tolkien change some names, like the hobbits (eg Maura into Frodo), but not others, like Legolas? Well, that would be because Tolkien only translated names that were in Westron into English! Legolas is a Sindarin name, which is an elvish language. Anything elvish (and dwarfish, and Numerorian, or anything non-Westron) would go untranslated into English, unlike the English-ified Westron names, which include most humans and the hobbits. Okay, well, if the names are translated into English then why do they sound so weird and fantasy? Bilbo and Frodo hardly sound like names translated into English. Well that's because Tolkien was such a nerd he couldn't translate the Westron names into just regular old English- no, he had to make them more complicated than that, so he used a lot of Old English and Norse and German and so forth. For example: Hobbits is a modernization of the Old English word 'holbytla' which is a combo of 'hol' (hole) and 'bytla' (builder). Maura is a name that means 'wise' in Westron (again, a language that Tolkien literally made up), and Frodo is a proto-germanic name that roughly means the same thing. Razanur (Pippin's Westron name) means 'traveler', which is also what Peregrine means, which was then shortened to Pippin. For some reason Merry's Westron name (Kalimac) is meanlingless but shortened to Kali it means 'happy', which obviously Merry is a synonym for. Banazir means 'half-wise' in Westron, Sam is a Proto-Germanic prefix for 'half' and he kept the 'wise', giving us 'Samwise'. Eoh (horse) + Wynn (joy/bliss) = Eowyn. We don't know Eowyn's Westron name but can infer that it starts with an L because of a existing translation that he gives us of the root word of her name.
Anyway this got wayyy too long but thanks for giving me the chance to ramble on about a topic I know way too much about!! Hope this is at least mildly interesting :))
(December 29, 2023 - 11:11 pm)
yes!! I recently discovered most of this through my apendicies rabbit hole but some of it's new :) I didn't remember the Christmas tree... the obscure winter holiday aspect is interesting—so are all the calendar systems! The Hobbit one especially with Lithedays and Yuledays and the mysterious Overlithe akin to our leap day. (it'd be so much easier if which weekdays were on which didn't change year-to-year as well). I should probably read the Silmarillion if I want to understand some of the overall time scale of Middle-Earth and the Elves and everything predating the Hobbit and LotR
(have you read Farmer Giles of Ham or Tales from the Perilous Realm? those are the other two Tolkien books I've read other than the Hobbit or LotR, and they're both kind of short story-esque but good!)
slightly unrelated, but I just watched the first LotR (I don't know why I did LOTR in my previous post lol I knew something looked wrong) movie and it was actually really good! They cut out the entire Tom Bombadil part and sped through Bree, which was unfortunate, and my absolute favorite quote wasn't included (right after the Company splits up: Sam can't swim and he's like "Help, Mr. Frodo, I'm drownded!" and idk why I love that so much but I do)... but I love Legolas and Gimli already, they're totally made for each other even if they don't compete to kill Orcs in the movie...
very unrelated, but I started reading Les Mis a week or so ago... I've read an abridged version before, but my friend convinced me to start the unabridged one, so here I am! The Wilbour translation, I think. I'm about 900 pages in, but I know the entire story. If you have any cool stuff about that similar to the Tolkien nerdiness, I'd love to hear it!! :D
About the Christmas tree: Ancient people from before the time of Christ and Christmas often decorated with evergreens in the winter to remind themselves that the greens of warmer seasons would return.
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(December 30, 2023 - 2:29 am)
Yes you should read the Silm!! I read it years ago and got obsessed, and I'm the only person I know who's read it, so I can't really talk to anyone about it. It can be a little (or a lot) confusing and dense at times but I'd say it's worth it. Lmk if you do!
I haven't read those stories but I should. I love Tolkien's works and need to get back into them :)
Ohh I love the LotR movies! They're different than the books but I still really like them. I think there was too much in the books to fit in the movies, which are already pretty long, so they had to cut some storylines. I think they chose to cut Tom Bombadil bc he's a little silly and it didn't really fit their more serious cinematic theme they had going on there, and I think if they kept it in it would feel very out of place tonally, but I do love him. As for Gimli and Legolas, they totally are perfect for each other... maybe wait a few movies for that orc kill count scene ;) The movies have their weak points (arwen.....) but I still love them.
Ahhh Les Mis!! I assume you've heard my rants and constant talking about Les Mis the novel on here haha. I'm about 1300 pages in the Donougher translation, which I think came out like ten years ago so it's a bit more modern than the Wilbour translation. I'd LOVE to talk about it, but don't really want to clog up this thread, maybe we could make another thread for Tolkien & LM related discussions or whatever you want? Up to you :)
(December 30, 2023 - 2:34 pm)
yeah I wish the elves in the movie were a bit more ~elven~ if that makes sense but they're great anyway :) a separate thread sounds good! do you want to make it?
(December 30, 2023 - 3:35 pm)
Sure! I'll make it on This Month since that's where most of the other discussion threads are posted :)
(December 30, 2023 - 10:28 pm)
actually wait I think I was wrong about the origin language part—there's two types of names, as far as I can tell: the origional Westron (Common Speech) ones, and the anglicized versions. While some of them stem from Rohirric (still being analogous to Old English), they were immediately translated from the language skeleton for Westron (not fully developed like some of his languages) to English.
this is so confusing lol
(December 29, 2023 - 6:53 pm)
Noo we just discovered we have mice in our drawers and behind the dish washer for THE THIRD TIME-- Wild mice :/
(December 29, 2023 - 8:22 pm)
My first thought: Wow, you're so lucky, I love mice (long story...)
My second thought: Oh...it's the third time and in two places and also apparently wild mice in the house might not be a good thing...
(December 31, 2023 - 6:04 pm)