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Evolution VS Creation
Evolution VS Creation
I read through this thread and was caught up in how interesting it is! I decided to make a new thread with some questions that struck me while reading this one.
-What do you believe?
- Can you prove your ideas, no matter what they are?
-Will we ever find out what happened so long ago?
-What happens when you die?
-Which came first, the chicken or the egg?
-Do ideas hatch from eggs?
-Is the scientific universe in God's mind?
-How do we know that science is right?
-How do we know that the Bible is right?
...quite frankly, how do we know that anything in the world is right, unless we see it with our own eyes...and how do we know that our eyes aren't lying?
http://www.cricketmagkids.com/chatterbox/downtoearth/node/897?page=4
@Admins, please link this? Thank you!!
When I got to the end, I saw that Hermione had topped it, I like that she was trying to top the oldest threads, but I also agree with Butterfly about keeping the old parts of the CB in...well in peace.
submitted by Silverwaxwing, age 14, The World
(August 13, 2017 - 6:31 pm)
(August 13, 2017 - 6:31 pm)
I like that idea about God being what you believe. It makes sense.
(August 27, 2017 - 10:55 am)
Yeah, I like it too. It's nice to think that everyone's ideas about God are correct in their own way.
(August 28, 2017 - 12:13 pm)
I do not intend to offend anyone. Please do not get upset. I am just stating my opinions. Everyone is entitled to that.
-What do you believe?
I personally am Jewish. I belive in a one and only God with power over everything. I believe he created the Universe. However, I also believe in Evolution, to some extents. If I didn't, I feel that would just be ignorant. We can see it happen, small scale. I also think there is a possibility of some Big Bang. Why can't God have created it all that way?
- Can you prove your ideas, no matter what they are?
No. No one can prove anything.
-Will we ever find out what happened so long ago?
When the Messiah comes...maybe. That's Judaism-wise. Science-wise, I doubt it.
-What happens when you die?
The body rots. The soul, the life sustaining energy, returns to God. It is then subject to punishment or reward. Here it gets hazy. I think a possible punishment is simply true regret, now that your soul can see the big picture. A reward may be true happiness. And by the way, according to Judaism, it is entirely possible for a non-Jew to get reward after death. Just not on the same level...
-Which came first, the chicken or the egg?
Both science and Judaism-wise, the chicken.
-Do ideas hatch from eggs?
Maybe... Mental eggs?... Spiritual eggs?... Or do they happen by chance when the background subconscious computer of your mind happens upon a possible set of circumstances?...
-Is the scientific universe in God's mind?
I don't know. Is your mind creating a universe right now? After all, virtual inhabitants wouldn't know they're virtual.
-How do we know that science is right?
We don't. We can only rely on outside stimuli, which can easily be false, or even faked. For example, drug-induced hallucination. And if we were hallucinating since birth, we wouldn't know a difference. Like Plato's parable with shadows on a cave wall...
-How do we know that the Bible is right?
Well, some of it seems logical. Some it is blind faith. But it's the same with science. Deal with it. This is our world.
(August 31, 2017 - 3:57 pm)
Someone post. this thread can't die. Its awesome!!!
(September 4, 2017 - 3:30 pm)
I agree MJ.
(September 4, 2017 - 3:50 pm)
I would suggest that all of you would watch Bill Nye tours the ark encounter. It has A LOT of good points in it. Science can prove some things, but not all. Sorry, I don't know how to word it correctly. But I do recommend to watch that. Search it. Please.
(September 4, 2017 - 4:53 pm)
Sounds interesting! I'll have to check it out!
(September 5, 2017 - 8:07 am)
I'd like to explain my understanding of soul. I think anyone who says that souls don't exist, is wrong. Period. Science agrees with it, too, though it can't explain it. What is a soul? An animating force. also called potential and/or kinetic energy. Have you heard of it? Of course you have. And it's not just humans with soul, though we do have a different soul than other things.
1) Inanimate objects have the lowest level of soul, just enough to keep the electrons around the nucleus and keep it in a single time stream, etc.
2) Above that level are plants. More "alive" than objects.
3) Insects and arachnids.
4) Fish and shellfish.
4) Birds.
5) Mammals.
6) And at the top of the list, humans.
That's one of the reasons that Judaism believes it's wrong to harm or waste things for no reason.
Also, science believes in god. What was the Big Bang? An infinitely dense orb of matter, condensed Universe (just add energy!), was placed in nothingness, and expanded to create the Universe. And where did this orb of matter come from? Something - Someone - placed it there.
(September 5, 2017 - 5:00 pm)
(Formally Killim)
I have to say I disagree. I do not believe inanimate objects have souls. Let's say a table, for instance. Someone built it, and that someone could only have been a human. A human cannot be powerful enough to put a soul into a table, and even the atoms that make up the table do not make up a soul. A soul is something that does not relate to common science. A soul is a more spiritual aspect.
Plants are also different. Similar to this, I think that things with souls have emotions. Plants are simply functions of atoms and other cells working together, but they don't form a soul or emotions. Just because it's living doesn't mean it has a soul.
Now, animals. I think bugs are different from, let's say, cats. To me, if an animal had a relationship with a human, then they have a soul, because they have experiences many emotions. Now, I also think other animals could have a soul because they have emotions also. But a bug, I think, is classified differently from other animals.
And of course, humans have souls. They have emotions and extrodinary capabilities given by God. We were made in God's image. He has given all humans souls.
(September 5, 2017 - 10:17 pm)
So, Doctor Who?, what do you think of as a soul?
Do you consider it the source of emotions? But the brain is also a source of emotions... How about thought? Also the brain. The soul does do those things, but it's more.
What is it that keeps the body alive? I think it is the soul! Therefore, every living creature must have a soul, albeit a weaker or lower soul than a human's. And what keeps the electrons spinning or whatever? Did you know that electrons, particles smaller than atoms, act and react differently when they're being recorded? How is that explained? Something in them has to be more than just inanimate energy.
Are you familiar with the Old Testament? When Jacob was running from Esau, it says he went to sleep on "rocks", i.e. with rocks as a pillow. When he woke up, it uses the word "rock", hinting that the rocks united because all of them wanted Jacob's head to rest on them. Obviously, the rocks can't want! However, the weak soul inside was enough to convince God to merge the rocks.
Nothing is inanimate. Everything has a soul.
P.S. I am not trying to be offending. Just stating my version of the facts. Please, nobody get upset.
(September 6, 2017 - 8:46 pm)
I am not saying that only emotions are the source of a soul. But I am saying that a soul is more from God, not from science (science as in electrons, cells, etc.). I am familiar with the Old Testemant, as well as the New Testament. And rocks do not have a soul. It was not their, "soul," that helped Jacob to sleep on that rock. It was a rock. And everything else that happened in that desert was of God, not of the "soul," of a rock.
Do you know how in Genesis 3:19, God says to Adam, a man, "for you are dust, and to dust you shall return?" Well, another verse later on supports that statement, and that verse is in Ecclesiastes 12:7, saying, "And the dust returns to the Earth as it was, and the spirit returns to God who gave it." When God says this to Adam, He also means it for humans to come. Humans definitely have souls, and aside from the issue of animals, God didn't say this to a rock.
Also, in Matthew (a book in the New Testament), it says, "You shall love the Lord your God with all you heart and with all your soul and with all your mind." Humans, who have souls, were also given them to love God. And here, the soul also works with your heart and your mind. A rock does not have a soul, because it also doesn't have a heart or a mind to love God. What I'm saying is, a soul is also made to love God, not just to keep you alive. Do you think a rock loves and knows God? Now, God obviously made rocks, as He made everything on this Earth, but humans were made in His image. They have a soul. Inanimate objects do not.
(September 7, 2017 - 11:57 am)
Exactly, Killim--err, Doctor Who? Sorry, I'm still getting used to the name change. ;-)
I agree with you. Inanimate objects do not have souls. I do think animals have souls. The Bible doesn't tell us for sure if they do or not, but it certainly hints at it. And I think that animals know, deep down, somewhere in their souls, that there is a creator and he is God, and I think they worship him in their own way. I think some humans tend to lie to themselves and make their brains believe that God isn't real, until that little part of their concious is scorched. Animals were not created in God's Image, and so, aren't as important to him as we humans are. But God still loves the animals very much, and he put them in our care. That means that animal abuse is sin.
I have some Bible verses to back this up, but I'll have to post them later.
(September 7, 2017 - 3:56 pm)
What about people who weren't raised to believe in God? What about people in past times, in different countries, believing different religions. The Ancient Greeks - were they lying to themselves for not believing in God, who they had never heard of? I could say the same thing about religious people; that you are all lying to yourselfs to make yourselves feel better. But it is rude for me to say that (so I apologise), and it is also rude for you to say that people who don't believe in God are lying to themselves.
@Admins: Why are you letting comments like this go through without taking that part out? It could be seriously hurtful.
I can't find the specific comment from Leeli to which you refer. We are trying to allow an open, respectful discussion. I often insert "I think" before comments made as statements that are really opinions. If you can tell me what the specific comment begins with and which page of this thread it's on, I'll take another look at it.
Admin
(September 8, 2017 - 8:02 am)
@Admin, the comment begins with Exactly, Killim--err, Doctor Who? Sorry, I'm still getting used to the name change." It is on pg. 7.
Now you need to give me the complete request in one comment on the thread on which you want the item changed appears. From this current comment, I don't know what you want me to do to the Killim--er comment.
Admin
(September 9, 2017 - 10:05 am)
Look, I'm sorry if that seemed hurtful or offensive. I didn't mean it that way. Like Admin said, they are trying to allow and open and peaceful discussion. I don't see how stating what I believe is any more hurtful than others stating what they believe. Again, I am sorry if I hurt or offended you with my comment. I'm not going to elaborate on the subject any further; it seems to be a sensitive topic.
(September 10, 2017 - 12:59 pm)