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Evolution VS Creation
Evolution VS Creation
I read through this thread and was caught up in how interesting it is! I decided to make a new thread with some questions that struck me while reading this one.
-What do you believe?
- Can you prove your ideas, no matter what they are?
-Will we ever find out what happened so long ago?
-What happens when you die?
-Which came first, the chicken or the egg?
-Do ideas hatch from eggs?
-Is the scientific universe in God's mind?
-How do we know that science is right?
-How do we know that the Bible is right?
...quite frankly, how do we know that anything in the world is right, unless we see it with our own eyes...and how do we know that our eyes aren't lying?
http://www.cricketmagkids.com/chatterbox/downtoearth/node/897?page=4
@Admins, please link this? Thank you!!
When I got to the end, I saw that Hermione had topped it, I like that she was trying to top the oldest threads, but I also agree with Butterfly about keeping the old parts of the CB in...well in peace.
submitted by Silverwaxwing, age 14, The World
(August 13, 2017 - 6:31 pm)
(August 13, 2017 - 6:31 pm)
...Was this in reply to Killim?
Also, even though I don't think this was directed at me, I'm still gonna counter what you just said about evolution, if that's okay.
So, to start, evolution is real, yes. But I only believe in small scale evolution; natural selection. That's why the coyotes you mentioned are learning to survive in the city. God gave animals this quality so they could better survive in different environments. In other words, God created evolution.
This is something I'd like everyone on this thread to hear about evolution and carbon dating. Do you know how scientists date dinosaur bones and fossils? Yeah, the ones they claim are "millions of years old"? They use something called carbon dating. I don't know exactly how it works, but I know it is very inaccurate, and I can prove it. Awhile ago, there was a volcano that erupted called Mount Saint Helens. Some scientists took a rock or something from the volcano and tried to carbon date it. Guess what? The machine said it was millions of years old. We know it wasn't that old. The volcano erupted several decades ago. I don't remember the exact dates and details, this is something my dad told me about once a few years ago. But if y'all don't believe me, you can google it yourselves or I'll do some more research about it.
You have to admit, there's a lot of proof against evolution. I mean, for goodness sake, it just make sense! We didn't come from monkeys, we came from dust! Formed by God! If we came from apes, then tell me why the missing link is still missing. It doesn't make sense that our entire planet, our entire existence, happened in a trillionth of a second. It just doesn't fit.
This post was not in any way meant to hurt or offend anyone.
I think someone asked how "we religious peeps" can back up our religious texts, am I right? If so, I'd love to explain how I can prove that the Bible is true.
(August 17, 2017 - 6:03 pm)
Exactly, Leeli. I think when you take God out of the equation, it just doesn't really make sense.
(August 17, 2017 - 8:00 pm)
I agree. :)
(August 18, 2017 - 8:23 am)
It has not been my experience that Jews believe in heaven and hell. We don't really talk about what happens after death. It's not a big part of the religion. That's, as far as I know, more of a Christian thing.
(August 18, 2017 - 7:20 am)
First of all I just want to say, because I've been seeing this a lot... The theory is not that we evolved from monkeys! The theory is that monkeys and humans share a human ancestor!
O.K., next I'm putting out there that I don't mean to offend anyone, and if I get something wrong, please correct me.
What do you believe?: I was raised to be a Catholic and I have very religious grandparents. When I was smaller, I believed in God and Jesus. However, now I do not and am an athiest. So, I guess you could say I believe in science? -Still, I'm a normal person. My belief in this matter does not shape how kind I am, how smart I am, or anything else. No matter what your belief is in this case, it does not shape how kind or smart you are.
Can you prove your ideas? Hmm. Well, scientific theories can not be proven. Theories will never turn into laws and vise versa. We observe that scientific laws happen under a specific set of circumstances every time, if that counts as proving. As for scientific theories, they can not really be proven. They are based off of multiple observations and repeated experienents, more complicated than laws, but often stemming out from laws. So... not exactly. However, on the internet, you can technically find evidence to 'prove' almost anything. There is definetly evidence for small scale evolution (several experiments done with several animals, the one I learned about in class was where lizards were put on different islands with different habitats and within four lizard generations they had evolved to look different from lizards placed on other islands). But again, you could argue that something else happened. Maybe the lizards ate a weird banana and grew longer legs or something. My point is, it is extremely hard if not impossible to prove anything.
Will we ever find out what happened so long ago?:No, I don't believe we will. Again, theories can't become laws, and if the theory of Evolution were to be proven, it would become a law. However, if we figure out how to time travel (I mean into the past, I know that we can already hypothetically travel to the future by traveling at intense speeds), then maybe we would be able to travel to the beginning and see what happened.
What happens when we die?: I struggled with this for a really long time, because I didn't like the alternative. But, as of right now, I believe that when we die... we just... die. Oblivion, whatever you want to call it, but since I'm not Catholic (or any other religion with intelligent design), this is what I believe and honestly, it terrifies me.
Which came first, the chicken or the egg?: Well, there were eggs before there were chickens... from other animals. Chickens aren't the only creatures that lay eggs.
Do ideas hatch from eggs? What? Um... figuratively? Either way, I don't believe they do. That's not how I imagine ideas happening, at least.
Is the scientific universe in God's mind?: I don't believe in God.
How do we know that science is right?: How do we know that anything is correct? You could argue that we are in a simulated world, created by the future, other people controlling us. There are discussions about if we really do have any free will, or if we are just shaped by our experiences. With scientific theories, you have to examine the evidence, observations, and repeated trials and decide for yourself if it is compelling enough to believe. I don't like relying on faith, and this was one of the biggest issues for me with my struggle that caused me to become an aethiest. Even though we can't prove that scientific theories are for certain, correct, it is impossible to dismiss them because of the considerable amount of evidence, experiments, hypothesis proven correct, and observations.
How do we know the Bible is right? : It's the same thing with scientific theories. We don't. Those who choose to believe it. However, even though this is off topic, I want to talk about an all-knowing, all powerful, omnibenevolant (completly good) God. I know that this isn't the God that defines Christian religion, but I know a lot of Christians believe in this God. There is another question, but it's more loaded so I might ask it later. Can God create a rock so heavy that he can't lift? Because if he were all powerful, he would be able to do that. But then he would also be able to lift it if he were all powerful. What are your takes on this?
(August 17, 2017 - 2:59 pm)
Actually, we do believe that God is all knowing, all powerful, and all good. He's also merciful, kind, and gives grace. He loves everyone in the world so much, even those who don't believe in Him. Please know that. ^^
As for the rock thing, I don't think He would do that because He doesn't need to prove himself to humans. He surely shows himself, but He does not need to prove Himself.
(August 17, 2017 - 7:57 pm)
Sorry, I haven't read the bible in a really long time, since I became athiest. I don't remember it describing his characteristics into that extent where his is all powerful, all knowledgable, completely benevolent, etc., I thought that that part was assumed by different branches of Christianity. Can you clarify this for me? Do all branches believe that? Is it also different branches that think God loves everybody equally or people that don't believe him are going to hell?
I have more of those philisophical thought problems, but I prob. won't post it because that isn't what this post is for... but could he, hypothetically make that rock?
(August 18, 2017 - 1:46 pm)
No, throughout the Bible, God is all powerful, all knowledgable, all loving, etc. I don't understand what you mean by branches... Christianity is one religion, unless you mean denominations. In that case, we believe the same thing, we just worship differently. I'm United Methodist and I believe in Jesus like Catholics do, but we have different methods of worship. I hope that answered your question.
"Hypothetically," He can do anything.
(August 18, 2017 - 6:48 pm)
But if he could hypothetically create that impossible to lift rock, couldn't he lift it? Since he is believed to be all powerful? And doesn't God set a plague on an entire group of people? Or is that a different religion (once again, really long time since I read the Bible)? Sorry, I hope I'm not offending you with all of these questions (even though I said I wouldn't get off topic...).
(August 18, 2017 - 8:30 pm)
Christianity does believe that God loves everyone equally, so much that it's beyond our imagination. My previous post (or one of them) should explain why we should believe in Jesus.
(August 18, 2017 - 6:51 pm)
I'm not trying to be rude or anything, really. But no-one should have to believe in God. REligin s a choose, not a should.
I'm really sorry if that came out offensively, and i'm super sorry if it did.
(August 26, 2017 - 1:38 am)
Oh, and also, there's as much evidence for God being real as there is for the theory of evolution.
(August 17, 2017 - 5:29 pm)
There isn't any true evidence of evolution in my opinion. It just makes no sense.
(August 17, 2017 - 6:53 pm)
Well there is some- like natural selection, or adaptation. But God did definitely make us.
(August 18, 2017 - 7:46 am)
I have my whole post saved and ready, I just need to make sure I back everything up with scripture, however, I saw the, "well, why did God make us, then?" discussion on page 2. Why did God make us? The answer is in scripture: for his own glory. We are His children, whom he treasures and loves, and yes, tests, so that we can grow in faith.
More later, the computer is dying.
(August 17, 2017 - 8:18 pm)