The Debate Thread!
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The Debate Thread!
The Debate Thread! Anything except politics and religion allowed here (though that could change). So, I know Oregano and Ima and maybe more people seemed interested in debate. List subjects you would like to talk about.
I just thought people might be interested.
submitted by Amy G., age 14, PA
(June 3, 2011 - 6:11 pm)
(June 3, 2011 - 6:11 pm)
Oh, I’m not offended. It’s a debate… that hasn’t changed subject… but that’s okay. :D Well, the Seven Corpal Works of Mercy (I think these might be just for Catholics…) are: Feed the hungry Give drink to the thirsty Clothe the naked Shelter the homeless Visit the sick Visit those in prison Bury the deadSo, therefore, even if you aren’t religious, you’re doing something that Jesus would want you to do. It’s not “religious” per say, it’s just something that SHOULD be done.
(June 15, 2011 - 2:56 pm)
I do completely disagree with the child law in China. While I think overpopulation exists, people deserce the right to choose how many children they want, if any. I think they did change it so that if your first child was a girl, and you really wanted a boy, you could have another--but after that, no more, and you can't do it vice versa, so I now consider that sexist as well as taking away freedom. I do think it's better than just allowing one child, though, because even though I strongly disagree with their reasoning, at least some people can have more than one child now. It reminds me of Shadow Children, too. It's not as bad as that, since you just get fined instead of your child being killed, but I still think it's horrible.
Detc says potz! Pots! After puma, pots! He's getting intelligent! Finally, he spoke 2 intelligble things in a row! And he's... what? 3, 4 years old now? Apparently, spam filters take even longer to grow tha humans, which is kind of amazing, since we're so slow. But then, aren't chimpanzees even slower-growing? It takes them 6 years to master how to use a tool to get termites for food.
(June 15, 2011 - 1:39 pm)
So, what is this debate about, I'm having trouble following it....
I am not into politics, I am not vegitarian [I don't eat pork though.., i just don't like it...],this feminist thing, ummm? that just weird and the sexist thing, the admins shouldn't allow it, and umm? seroisly how did you get into the child law in China? {i agree though, I'ts horrible}.
I think you already have had several debates...
(June 16, 2011 - 9:42 am)
I've never heard of Shadow Children. Who's it by?
(November 1, 2011 - 12:22 am)
Just when I thought I knew the guidelines. Admin, is there a reason my comment was censored? Was it too dark or something? /consternation/
Emily, we've had a lot of comments to post in the last few days, so I can't remember specifically what yours said. I do remember deleting one sentence that sounded rude, chastising another CBer, from someone's comment, but I don't know if it was yours or not. If you'll resend the whole comment, we'll review it again.
Admin
(November 9, 2011 - 2:44 am)
I don't like the one child law either. China might be overpopulated, but it takes away lives that could have been if they lived in another society.
(June 15, 2011 - 5:27 pm)
Sorry, but I will no longer join in this debate because on this subject, and a few others, I start rambling and when I get really passionate about a topic then I can't think of anything to say because there are too many things I want to say. So it would be a bad idea for me to continue.
(June 15, 2011 - 8:39 pm)
Yes! That's exactly how I feel ALL THE TIME! Language is amazing, and I love it, and I know lots of words, but it takes me forever to decide which to use in conversation. I have too many thoughts to list, and because I think so much, people expect me to start conversations, but there's so MUCH in my mind and none of that is knowledge of what willl interest people, so I'm just clueless, and it's so frustrating! I didn't know it ever happened to other people, even just in situations where it's something they're really passionate about. I'm passionate about almost everything and almost always seem to be at an extreme rather than in the middle, and I hate spontaneous decision-making! Conversation is confusing.
...Okay, sorry. I'll stop now. But thank you. I might quote you sometime. That's one reason why I love it here so much; it doesn't have to be spontaneous; I can take however much time I want.
Detc says cgrn. Chagrin? About what?
(June 16, 2011 - 12:15 am)
@Robyn D.-- Actually, from a religious point of view that makes a lot of sense. Thanks for explaining and I'm glad I didn't offend you! :)
I'm reading Jane Eyre and since we are talking about feminism, for anyone who has the book (Ima?) look on page 119 (starting at: It is in vain to say) till page 130 (finishing at: necessary for their gender). I thought that fit the topic.
I find that absolutely 100% sexist. "Oh you wanted a boy because girls are lame so sure we can make the law flexible." I still don't understand what's supposed to be better about boys than girls. We can do everything they can do! (FEMINISM) And what if someone wished for a GIRL. Huh? I am in much agreement with Ima, I do not just find the law wrong and depriving of freedom but also very very sexist.
(June 16, 2011 - 10:11 am)
:) Thanks and sorry about how hard it was to read my last post... I had typed it on a Word document and it apparently took out all the spaces when posted on here. :D
Well, I know people used to prefer boys because they could be kings, and they could help on the farm more than girls could and so on, so maybe it's still that way in China. I don't believe in any of that and I would be completely satisfied with whatever child I have! Although there's nothing wrong with thinking or saying "I hope it's a girl!" Or boy.
(June 16, 2011 - 12:01 pm)
I agree. I have nothing against wanting your own child to be a certain gender before they're born, as long as you're satisfied with who they are after they're born and don't try to force your hopes on other people. Of course, the law in China does neither of those things.
Did people prefer boys because they could rule nations, or could they rule nations because they were preferred? I suppose it was probably both--whoever made the law must have favored them for a different reason,and then once the law was made, that just gave the rest of the people another reason.
You have a good point about helping on the farm, but I think it goes back farther than that. In humans (and most but not all other animals), the majority of males seem to be physically stronger than the majority of females, and I think, back when people were... primitave, survival was hard. The main things that help someone survive seem to be strength, intelligence, and unfortunately, often selfishness. I haven't noticed much difference between genders when it comes to intelligence and selfishness, but since there was a difference in physical strength, at the time, many men probably were more able and likely could do many things that women couldn't, although that didn't make them better as people. Thus, most very, very early cultures (except the ones that worshipped female deities) probably admired men more because they were better at surviving at the time, for the most part. A hierarchy became established so firmly that by the time physical strength stopped being necessary or even valued very much, and some things most women are better at, like dealing with isolation stress, became valued more (in space, for example, you need it there, but it took forever to get them to let women in, although not for lack of trying), people just... weren't willing to let the things they'd been taught go. They assumed women couldn't do as much as men could because that's what their parents had told them, even though, all the while, the things that are now possible for human beings are getting less and less dependent on strength, so the prejudice against women really isn't valid anymore. That's my theory, anyway. I'm not saying that the prejudice was acceptable in the past; I don't think that at all, and I certainly do not believe that women were ever inferior, but I'm speculating on what might have caused people to think they were. They used to put a lot of emphasis on physical strength, whereas now, with cars and TVs and everything, that's really fading away... But people did come to their senses, and now we can vote and all that. Well, I can't, since I haven't even turned 13 yet, but females in general can.
(June 16, 2011 - 7:59 pm)
@Ima: Your general history was very good and clear. (By the way, I get Muse too and found the issue on space and Mars and women in space interesting as well.).
I think that there are cultures, in the past and present, who value equally men and women but strictly enforce what each is supposed to do in their life. And there are matriarchal (is that the right word?) societies in the world too. So how you feel really depends on how your culture is influencing you. And in each culture there will be a few of those who will stand out because they will think in a different way from everyone else.
It's hard to tell what is right because the lines between right and wrong may have been clear years ago but changes as our ways of thinking evolve. Things that were once completely unnaceptable to an entire society (women wearing pants, for instance) now are not even an issue.
Hmm...I feel like I'm getting a little off topic.
About the one-child law in China: I have conflicted feelings about that. I'm so tired now that I'm not going to write more, because it wouldn't make sense! Do people want to continue with this topic or try a different one?
(June 17, 2011 - 8:33 pm)
I meant page 120 in Jane Eyre, sorry. :)
Anyway, Ima, I think you basically made a great point. Women were probably weaker then but that prejudice doesn't count now. A teacher in my class always asks "strong boys" to carry books into class. I raised my hand to carry them once and she was taken a back and asked if I were a "strong girl." Seriously, I'm taller than most of the boys in my class and just as strong! :)
@Amy G.- What are your feelings about the one child law? I'm interested in what you have to say.
(June 20, 2011 - 9:10 am)
@Elizabeth M: That's weird of the teacher to say and do. Especially if you're the same hieght or taller. Although, it is common courtesy for boys to hold open doors, offer to carry things, etc, so maybe that's what the teacher was trying to.. teach. :D
(June 20, 2011 - 11:07 am)
Circe in Percy Jackson: now THERE's a feminist. So, in a nutshell, my opinion: Feminism is OK in moderation.
(June 20, 2011 - 1:23 pm)