Some advice, plea

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Some advice, plea

Some advice, please?

Soo... this might sound a bit odd. I don't usually talk about my academics, IQ, how smart I am, or whatever. I don't even know if you guys care to hear. See, the thing is, I did not learn to read - not even recognize letters or anything - until I was 10. I was called stupid by family (besides my parents, of course), doctors, kids, and schools. I was told I would never become anything and would never learn to read, do math, or live outside of my parents' basement. It was not that I was lazy, just... things like that did not make sense. I got held back in first grade, and it never helped.

So my parents decided to homeschool me. Long story short, I jumped up in homeschooling to my regular grade, and I could have graduated at 16, so skipping grades too. By age 12, only two years after I learned to read, I was doing university level classes, with every single subject besides math at or above college level. Even math was still extremely high for my age. Then things went downhill again.

I went back to school for a few weeks for middle school (and a bit in 4th grade too). Didn't work out so well. I was getting into physical fights with students, I had no friends, I skipped classes, argued over evolution with my science teacher, and apparently, I got sent to the principal's office on a daily basis. I was also a social outcast, and they wanted to pair me with an older student to learn the ways of middle school and actually fit in and make friends. Didn't work. I left the school and went back to homeschooling. While in this school, I started occasionally being called out for being a "know-it-all" and one of those advocates that talk too much about what they believe in.  

In eighth grade, we moved yet again (we moved a lot) to a farm town of 400, where I still live today. I went to the school, a K-12 with less than 100 students that many of you guys know about from previous rants. I... couldn't really fit in that much. I was "too smart" from what kids told me, finding everything thrown at me too easy. By the older students, I'd occasionally get mocked. It was fine, I had faced worse in elementary and middle school. People thought I was insane and kind of rude, because I would never talk, only read. It wasn't that I didn't want to socialize, I just did not know how to. I've gotten better about that, recently. Anyways, I left that school, having been there less than a semester.

Then 9th grade came back, and I returned. Everything was too easy, yet now I faced a new problem. Math. I was failing, I had so many gaps in math that I now worked at a 7th or 8th-grade level, and I still couldn't do fractions, percents, or decimals. I didn't know my tables or even some elementary math, like certain scenarios within the long division. I was holding up an A+ in the class because he didn't grade homework and did massive bell curves on tests. I was seen as the "genius' yet I was being beaten by special ed kids. Even my English, grammar was failing me. Science was an absolute joke. We were doing elementary science projects in 8th and 9th grade. 10th-grade "Biology" was talking about the basic units of a cell for months straight. It's pathetic.

So now I am homeschooled and for good this time. It's almost the end of my 10th-grade year, and yet I still am stuck with math. All the above still applies. I have massive elementary math gaps, and none of it makes sense. In fact, on tests, I get really high scores on advanced math, like Algebra II, yet fail elementary math. I just don't... I don't know. I am trying to work through websites like Khan Academy, and it's just slow. Each part, where you only have to get 5 in a row right, takes me an hour for 2 of those. An hour. I am slow, I feel like I don't know this, and I need to for college. For life, for goodness sake. So, after this huge rant, what am I supposed to do? It's bad enough having been bullied half my life for being "not smart enough", and not being able to ride a bike, or swim, or run. Then being seen as different because of how I think, and for being smart. Then I discover my math is so terrible, that kids who have spent their entire lives in special ed are better at it than I am.

I thank you for reading this rant, tolerating it all. I just need advice on how to approach my problem. Thank you guys so much, you are all the best!

submitted by Ashlee G., age 16, The Future
(May 4, 2017 - 3:40 pm)

*Facepalms*

I'm pretty sure it was Abigail S. instead. 

submitted by Random Person, age 1-100, Somewhere
(May 5, 2017 - 10:42 pm)

Oh, okay! Abi gives great advice, so definitely follow whatever she told you.

submitted by Ashlee G., age 16, The Future
(May 6, 2017 - 2:04 am)

Okay. So I wanna start off by saying, this is basically my life. Now, I've always been homeschooled, but I jumped around a LOT when I was younger, and I too am missing HUGE gaps  in my 5th grade math-division, fractions, decimals. I am using Khan too, but I don't mind it. I mean, I hate math, but this isn't horrible...I don't find the 5/3 in a row things very stressful until the last problem, but anyway. And I recently found out I am gifted, which I've had a very hard time grappling with.

Okay, this part coming up is gonna sound weird, but hear me out: 

Have you been evaluated for a learning disability?

When I was planning out how to reply to this comment, my mom asked what I was doing. And I replied, reading the last paragraph. My mom said, "To me (the untrained ear/eye), that sounds like discalculus." Honestly, I kinda agree, but I also think you could be 2E. (Twice exceptional-gifted and a learning disability)

Also, you could try Math Mammoth or the Spectrum series of workbooks, which you can get to focus on just one thing, say Fractions, and it's a WHOLE book on Fractions ONLY.

And personally, between you and me, I don't think you will like MathUSee. I don't know, I guess we'll see. 

Lots of love and hope,

Inky. 

submitted by Inktail
(May 6, 2017 - 8:42 am)

Thank you so much, Inky! Wow, it seems like we both struggle in the same ways. Honestly, I am a bit nervous about MathUSee. Mainly because it is a whole new thing I have never tried before, and I am redoing Algebra and Geometry, which is back for 8th and 9th grade.

As for the learning disability... wow, I have a lot about that. Honestly, my family almost guarantee I have dyscalculia (I had to look up how to spell it xD). My friend also struggles from it, so when I was in school we used to work together and try to get through understanding math. My parents and I also believe I could have Asperger's, which in a way affects a lot of my learning. Not as much as autism, but it does in a sense. When I was younger, I was labeled with other things too, you know, since I could not read or recognize colors, etc. Ah well...

So what exactly is a 2E? How can you be gifted yet have a learning disability?

I might have to look into those workbooks! I used to do one called "Key to Math" that focused on one thing, but I absolutely hated it. As long as the ones you mentioned are interesting and not boring, they might be really good.

Thank you so much for the advice! 

 

I think people can be gifted in some skills and learning disabled in others.

Admin

 

submitted by Ashlee G., age 16, The Future
(May 9, 2017 - 10:46 pm)

Thank you, Admin! That makes sense, I am naturally gifted in English (once I got over my slow learning), and yet I struggle immensely with math, high school science, and physical activities. 

submitted by Ashlee G., age 16, The Future
(May 9, 2017 - 11:24 pm)

As for your first part, yeah it does sound like we have a lot in common! ♡♡♡

That's what I thought...x3 Ikr? Way too hard to spell. XD

Yes, what the admin said. Here's Wikipedia's description, paraphrased by me:

A person who is called 2e, or twice exceptional, is a person who is not only intellectually gifted, but also has one or more learning disabilities. Some of them might include dyslexia, dyscalculus, Aspergers, autism, ADD, anxiety, depression, or anything else that will disrupt their ability to learn.

Hopefully that's paraphrased enough, Admins?

Yes, it's fine. Thank you.

Admin

submitted by Inktail
(May 10, 2017 - 6:16 pm)

Wow *cough cough*  just wow! I mean, according to what you said, then I am no doubt a 2e. I was diagnosed with general anxiety, postpartum depression, and like I said we almost guarantee I have dyscalculus and Asberger's. Plus being "gifted". I don't know if I should take this as a good or bad thing. :D

submitted by Ashlee G., age 16, The Future
(May 12, 2017 - 1:29 am)

No problem, Admins :)

Yeah, that's what I've been having trouble with. Especially since I'm homeschooled, and don't get out much, so when I do get out, I feel ever MORE awkward now knowing that I'm gifted...

Don't do that,  is my best advice, I suppose. XD 

submitted by Inktail
(May 12, 2017 - 10:25 am)

Suppose not, but I still do anyways. xD 

*Mentally adds that on list of things to not do* 

submitted by Ashlee G., age 16, The Future
(May 12, 2017 - 11:21 am)

Aww! I wish I knew you in real life so I could march over to your house right now and give you a big hug. You've been through so much, and yet you're still one of the strongest, most confident people I know!

As for advice: I agree with what everyone has said so far. Math has always (mostly) made sense to me, so I can't suggest any good practice tips or websites. I use Mathgames.com sometimes, but I don't always like it because it has you answer a series of problems, but then if you get one wrong, it doesn't tell you why. The other bit of advice I have is to talk to your parents. Talk to your them, teachers, librarians, friends, anyone who could possibly help. Maybe a math tutor also?

I'm sorry, I really wish I could be more helpful! You are such a nice person and I wish i could help...

~Starseeker 

submitted by Starseeker, age 154 moons, Nightwing Kingdom
(May 7, 2017 - 8:16 pm)

Thank you, Starseeker, I really appreciate the advice! Usually, I would consult someone about getting help, but alas, it has not been that beneficial. My parents know I struggle, and they are trying to help, it is just hard. As for a math tutor, where I live, it would be pretty hard to find a real one. But I will definitely keep on trying, thank you! You are very helpful, so no worries. Sometimes it just takes a lot of encouragement for this wall of confusion to break down in my head. 

submitted by Ashlee G., age 16, The Future
(May 9, 2017 - 10:49 pm)

Of course! I'm glad I helped. ^^

And yes, I get overwhelemed at the big picture sometimes too. My mom told me that in order to eat the elephant you have to take one bit at a time. 

(I hope I don't have to eat an elephant anytime soon though. ;) 

submitted by Killim
(May 8, 2017 - 9:54 pm)

Yep, one bit at a time. But I don't think I could even eat an elephant if I wanted to. xD

submitted by Ashlee G., age 16, The Future
(May 9, 2017 - 10:50 pm)

> Hugs - I know what it's like for a parent/teacher to not get it that something's difficult...

 

> Don't pressure yourself (learning "elementary" math) - it won't help you! Be patient with yourself, and don't let anyone else make you feel bad for however long you need to learn. (Things I wish someone had told me earlier, part 4 :P)

 

> Believe in yourself - you might have learned to read later than most people, but you did it (and after you were told you couldn't)! Different people learn in different ways and at different times. I'd bet it's possible to find a way for math to make sense and become easy (maybe someday fun), even if that turns out to be unorthodox and individualistic :) 

 

> People who judge you by your abilities, and not by your character, in general aren't judging you very well... don't let their opinions drag you down. People who respect you are more worth listening to (I believe you know this already, just saying 'cause sometimes hearing it again helps).

 

> I hated math until calculus, when I learned how to do problems without numbers... If you want to talk math (or anything else), let me know!

Good luck with the new math program! Let us know how it works out :)

submitted by Oregano, age 19
(May 8, 2017 - 11:04 pm)

Wow, you never fail to disappoint me (or leave me clueless), thank you, Oregano! A big problem of mine is I am just way too hard on myself. That, and when I get frustrated with math, I get stressed out, then start snapping at people, freaking that my area is cluttered when it is spotless, feeling claustrophobic in an open room, tears, anxiety, massive headaches, and brain-dead feeling... And it all starts with math.

Following that series of daily events - which has helped in calling me "weird" and "not normal" by others - I lose self-confidence and flounder even more. This, in turn, affects the rest of my life, because, without self-confidence in math, I cannot go into a store without counting the money before entering, so I don't leave a whole line waiting. I cannot do concession stand stores, give change, or see if I received the right change without a panic attack. It's all in my self-esteem, which mind you, is very low at the moment. Although I must admit, at one point when math was easier, it was actually kinda fun. So maybe if I get the hang of it, I will enjoy math more?

I am fortunate enough to have a few amazing, non-judgmental people in my life. My parents, and my three best friends, and someone who I can usually tolerate. They each go about it in a different way. My parents act as, well, parents. One of my good friends encourages me to keep on going. Another makes it a competition since we both struggle in math, and I thrive off of that. My third friend really struggles with math (maybe worse than I do) and so we just talk it out. As for the other that I tolerate, she can be encouraging at times, and supportive. Plus I have you guys, so it all helps push out those negative folks :D

You enjoy calculus? And math? I look at calculus, which is not that far away for me, and wonder who on earth decided to invent that. Which, by the way, was Isaac Newton and Gottfried Leibniz according to a quick google research. Although for my case, I won't have to worry about calculus. With only two years left, I am doing 2 or 3 years of math, no higher than pre calc because of how far behind I am.

All in all, I know I can always rely on you. Thank you so much for being supportive and understanding, Oregano! :D I should be receiving my new math on Saturday, so I can let you all know next week how it goes. Again, thank you!

submitted by Ashlee G., age 16, The Future
(May 9, 2017 - 11:11 pm)