Religious debates.
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Religious debates.
Religious debates.
I don't think we should have any more religious debates. I don't want to point fingers at anyone, and I won't say names, but some of the comments and attitudes on these threads are offensive and hurt my feelings. As I've said before, religion is not based off fact. It's based off OPINION, and that's why no one will ever 'win' one of those debates. And that's okay. I like that we're all different and we have different opinions and feelings. But debating about them... that's what I feel is wrong. Because there is no proof. I believe in God, but I can't tell you exactly why. And I'm not going to try, either.
I like learning about other religions. I think if we learned about each other's holidays and rituals and ceremonies, that would be really nice. But debating won't get us anywhere. Even if we try to do it as nicely as we can, feelings could still be hurt.
You're going to say, 'If you don't like religious debates, then don't read them! Don't participate on them!' You have a point. But I think that feelings could be hurt by the religious debates, and not just mine. And we wouldn't want hard feelings between any of us, right?
Again, I'm not pointing fingers at anyone specific. I've gotten awfully heated too sometimes. And since this was a very heavy post I'm going to add a smiley :) just to keep things smiley. Bad joke, yeah. I'm full of them.
(May 24, 2009 - 8:21 am)
What is the point of feeling good and to think someone is there who loves you if none of what you believe is actually true? Why would someone say, "Well, I'm going to believe in God because it makes me feel good and because I think he loves me, even though there is no such thing as God and no true religion." You are saying (Lena and Adina) that every religion is as good and true to a person as another. Well, if someone believed in God and some other person didn't, one of them would be right and one of them would be wrong. There couldn't be a God and no God, just because two people believed two different things. I believe that everyone has a soul. That doesn't mean that the people who don't believe that don't have a soul and the people who do believe it do have a soul. No, it means that one is right and one is wrong; either we don't have souls or we do have souls. You guys are saying there is no truth. There has to be truth. If a certain religion believed that killing people was not bad, would that make it not bad? Well, according to you, it wouldn't be bad because it's just as good as another religion that says killing isn't right. I have to go now.
(May 27, 2009 - 12:54 pm)
*hugs* EXACTLY. MJ (can I call you that?) and Grace both put it downright beautifully. Grace is quite right in saying that the truth doesn't vary, opinion on the truth varies. And MJ hits the nail on the head by saying that there can't be no God and a God. That, like, Grace said, is like saying, "Ah, well, if Fred thinks the sky is red, s'okay- for him, the sky is red, even though it's really blue (or gray or black or whatever, depending on the tie of day)."
So what is the truth? Well, obviously, I think that Catholicism is the truth, but ---
WAITWAITWAIT. I am too confused. Give me a day or so to think this out so that my thoughts don't sound like a bunch of ramblings. I know what I believe, I'm just having trouble wording it. So... unprofessional debating, but yes.
Sorry. :/ *begins thinking of good way to word thoughts*
(May 27, 2009 - 4:17 pm)
Wow, thank you, Mary W. and Lauren. *smiles* Lena, we can stop arguing. But I still feel it necessary to defend my faith and explain it when I need to. I'm not asking you to agree with me, but don't you see why I think there's a true religion now? Are we friends?
(May 28, 2009 - 7:22 am)
We may disagree about some things, but of course we're friends!
(May 28, 2009 - 11:43 am)
I know what you're fealing! I'll like start saying something.... and then I get confused and I'm like "AHH!!!" :D:D. How bout this: There may be no "best" religion. But there is most likely one religion with the most truth involved. Arg. I was reading something on this subject and it was perfect.... I'm going to my room to find it. WHAT WAS IT???
(May 28, 2009 - 10:10 am)
This is really annoying. I can't remember! :( I'll remember someday though.... *looks into the distance* :)
(May 28, 2009 - 10:26 am)
Yeah, the "all religions are basically the same" and "religions are only for people to feel good" is not a good argument (not trying to be mean, just saying the argument isn't good). I think it is simply used to try and be as non-offensive as possible. But it doesn't work that way. We all want everyone to be on our side, to feel good, but it can't always be that way no matter how much we want it. That's not an excuse for hurting people's feelings, it's just that sooner or later, even the very things we believe will offend people however we word what we believe. World peace cannot be attained anywhere, sadly enough. Like you've been saying, MJ, there have to be things that are ultimately true and things that are ultimately false. There's no such thing as "no absolutes" in our world.
(May 27, 2009 - 4:45 pm)
Mary Jo, you are not going to believe this, but: I have an answer to your post. I have things I can say... er, type, to try to make you understand...
...but now isn't the time or place.
This is too much. I have a great time on the Chatterbox. I've made so many new friends. It seems stupid to have me feeling angry and resentful at you just because we disagree. Or any of you guys. It draws lines between us, see? When I see a comment from you, I think of you as 'the-person-who-disagrees-with-my-religious-views.' And I don't like that. I'm not going to get into facts and opinions about God and religion and souls and whatever. I know that religion is a big part of many of our lives, but it feels to me as though it's too hard to politely discuss these things, and it causes unnecessary tensions on the Chatterbox. I'm all up for telling each other about our religions. I've actually studied religions on my own, and it's fun. But this is really too much.
You're probably thinking that I secretly have no response to you and am making up some excuse not to continue, but I'm really not. It's just, if I respond to that, you're not going to agree. I know right away that you won't. And we'll go around and around in circles again.
:) please?
Nicely said, Lena. Everyone's beliefs should be respected. We can learn a lot by talking about different religions, but it's OK to disagree.
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(May 27, 2009 - 5:36 pm)
if it was really ok to disagree, this thread would not be here, eh?
(May 28, 2009 - 12:31 am)
Yes, Adina, I agree, but I think my non-heated thread is getting very heated. Why don't we just agree to disagree, as Allison said?
(May 27, 2009 - 5:24 pm)
That was well-said, Lena. Like MJ, I do feel an obligation to defend my faith when necessary. So, say someone starts a religion thread, I'm sorrysorrysorry, but I can't help but post. However, if we try to avoid the subject unless necessary, all should be la-de-da-ish. Yes?
Although * makes a good point, I'd like to tell him/her that Lena is correct in saying that some people do draw lines when there are disagreements (not me, because frankly, I have difficulty remembering the names :/, but if I had better short-term memory, I probably would, too) and, as Lena said, unless it's constructive, we don't need lines. Agreed?
(May 28, 2009 - 2:34 pm)
No, not really but remember it's ok to disagree. :D
(May 28, 2009 - 5:02 pm)
Thanks, Mary W.! :)
(May 28, 2009 - 5:49 pm)
Please go to this thread for a universal Chatterbox discussion:
http://www.cricketmagkids.com/chatterbox/downtoearth/node/29858
Thank you!
~Allison
(May 28, 2009 - 2:26 pm)
I think we all get addicted to this religion thread becuz we feel we must protect our religion, and our beliefs. I've gotten very angry at some (not saying names...) for their comments toward Catholics. It has been AWFULLY offensive, but I haven't said anything, becuz I think that this argument is pointless. (Although I would have liked to say something!!! :S) But I would like to say that Mary Jo and Mary W. can put up a VERY VERY VERY good argument!!!!!!!!!!
Anyway, (sorry, I get sidetracked easily.) I do like being able to say my thoughts on things, though. And maybe, if we are going to discuss religion, we shouldn't make it an argument. Just tell what we believe, and what we do for our religion, (how we pray, how we start the day...whatever... etc...). And then we can learn about religion, but not argue over it. OR, we could just not talk about religion, becuz it can get very personal. But I think if we don't argue over it, and don't make our posts sound like a "My religion is right and you are all wrong" thing, I think we'll be okay.
R~D~ ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥
(May 28, 2009 - 5:11 pm)