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Continued from the other post: It was getting WAY too long. Now: as I was saaaaying, I'm not trying to bicker, Im trying to help clear up the lie (evolution) that the government is trying to teach us. You know, it used to be illegal for evolution to be taught as fact in public schools. Now, a teacher can be fired for presenting both sides of the argument, for and against.
submitted by Emily L., age 13, WA
(August 13, 2008 - 12:42 pm)
(August 13, 2008 - 12:42 pm)
But the bible was written by humans! There's no other prove!
(August 16, 2008 - 9:34 am)
But God told us what to write down in the Bible.
(November 8, 2008 - 9:22 am)
Show me evidence to prove your theory.
(August 14, 2008 - 9:16 pm)
Yes, TMFA, If you can ask me to prove my theory, I can ask you to explain all the proof you say exists. And: to Hannah R., further down, did you know that Charles Darwin himself said that if an animal could be found that could not have evolved by fortituous genetic mutation, his theory would be proven wrong. And: let me quote my source. Here is why I think that Evolution does not provide enough time.
"...what are the chances of arranging (by chance) 6 different items in one perfect order? The result is one out of 6!, which is calculated as: 1x2x3x4x5x6 = 720. For the time being, forget the problem of how the first living cell happened by chance, with it's multiplied millions of specially organized parts. Let's look at arranging a simple system of just 200 parts by accident. How many ways can it be arranged? For example, the human skeleton has about 200 bones. Given only 200 fixed places to put them, what are the chances of randomly arranging those bones all in the right order on the first try? The number is 200! (200 factoral) and it is immense. It is represented by the number 1 with 375 zeroes after it."
And he goes on to say that if you tried a new arrangement every second, there wouldn't be enough time in ten billion years for every arrangement there could be.
(August 15, 2008 - 1:27 pm)
But, You Don't have to do ever argenment. and since there where many tries in a seconds, the odds increase. also, once you have building blocks, it's esay. This is confusing. I'm not a scienctist, I need help!
(August 15, 2008 - 4:26 pm)
I'm here.
(September 3, 2008 - 7:12 pm)
This argument is fundamentally flawed. You saying that things "become" by floating into each other. The standard model of ambiogenesis does not have 200 parts floating into each other. The 200 specially evolved bones in the human skeleton were shaped when they evolved from smaller, less complex animals, they didn't just float together.
"Charles Darwin himself said that if an animal could be found that could
not have evolved by fortuitous genetic mutation, his theory would be
proven wrong."
Has that one animal ever been found?
You never did "quote your source." Did Darwin say that about the math?
(September 3, 2008 - 7:35 pm)
Now we're getting somewhere. The animal (among others) is called the bombardier beetle. It has a unique defense system. If threatened, it shoots an explosive boiling hot chemical compound out of its rear end. The entire process would take too much space to explain here. But: It requires some specialized organs, and if traits evolve for usefulness, then the system would have had no reason to evolve before it was fully functional. And without a mixing chamber and certain valves working properly from the beginning, the animal would literally blow up. End of beetle family line.
(September 5, 2008 - 6:42 pm)
See Wikipedia article on said Bombardier beetle. The mechanisms did evolve to be useful, I shall now quote my source.
"Various quinones are commonly produced by cells in the skin of insects to harden their
skin into a cuticle, and as they taste bad to predators many insects
secrete this to deter predators. Where there are indentations in the
cuticle, these can very to form little sacs which store the deterrent
quinone. Where predators develop resistance to this chemical, other
related chemicals such as hydroquinone can develop, and in many beetles specialised cells secreting hydroquinone form glands connected by ducts to a reservoir sac which can be closed off by muscles to stop leakage. While all carabid beetles have this sort of arrangement, in some cases hydrogen preoxide which is a common by-product of the metabolism of cells can become mixed in with the hydroquinone, and some of the catalases which exist in most cells can make the process more efficient."
The blowing up bit is false, a claim by the creationalist Duane Gish, who later admitted to being wrong and blamed it on a mistranslation of a German work.
(September 6, 2008 - 10:20 am)
No one answered my question.
(August 15, 2008 - 6:06 pm)
You shouldn't need any evidence outside of the Bible.
(August 16, 2008 - 12:06 pm)
`For God? yes, that's right. for other things? no, thats not science.
(August 17, 2008 - 2:17 pm)
When I said the bible was 6,000 years old I was mistaken. It is actually around 2,000 years old.
(August 14, 2008 - 8:56 am)
The Bible is actually around 14,000 years old. The New Testament, though, is only about 2,000 years old. B.C. means Before Christ, and A.D. means After Death. The Old Testament, which is B.C., is about 12,000 years old. Christ was born in the last thirty years of B.C. timing. When the government killed him, things went wack, such as the Iron Curtain broke, and lots of things happened, which including changing the yearing. They started counting upwards after that.
(August 14, 2008 - 9:15 pm)
ad doesnt mean after death it mean anno domini which translated from latin means in the year of our lord so it isnt when jesus is born not when he dies
(August 17, 2008 - 7:08 pm)