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@Agent Winter, I’ve realized that Sebastian loves Reese, but as a best friend, not romantically.
Sebastian is gay. :)
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(June 9, 2019 - 8:14 am)
(June 9, 2019 - 8:14 am)
@Joan, I were you're coming from but you've a got an idea that's a bit out of place.
In this year, It's sad to think that people are still kind of close minded.
I know, a lot of people have had this idea that being gay is bad, or unatural.
Being gay or anything of that nature is not a choice. It's how people are born.
If people are uncomfortable with things likw this, they can keep their opinions to themselves, that don't have to make others feel guilty.
(June 11, 2019 - 10:08 am)
Hooded, I understand if you disagree with Joan and me and others of this opinion. But I think saying ‘you’ve got an idea that’s a bit out of place’ is a little offensive. We can all disagree, but saying anything that implies, ‘your opinion isn’t valid’ is pretty rude in any situation, at least in my eyes. I disagree with you on this subject, but I’m not going to tell you your opinions are outright wrong, even if that’s what I believe.
Also, here’s the thing. You and a lot of others here seem to have a problem with CBers “not accepting” gay people. You want others to be accepted for who they are, correct? But at the same time, you don’t accept anyone who disagrees with your opinions. And yet you call us close minded.
It’s not that we’re jerks and hate all gay people. Like Joan said, I don’t support the decision to be gay or transgender, for a lot of reasons I won’t get into. But I still support the people. I accept them even though we might disagree on some things. Does that make sense?
Joan, for the record, I second everything you said in your post.
I’m tired of pro-LGBTQ folks accusing people who disagree with them of being ‘haters’ and ‘close minded’. If you want to see ‘all types of people’ accepted, then start accepting us, too. Can’t we disagree and still be kind to one another?
(June 11, 2019 - 12:06 pm)
I see where you're coming from too.
You're right-a person being gay or anything of that nature isn't a choice-I agree that they were born with those feelings or whatever it is. But the choice part comes when that person decides to act on those feelings or declare them.
So yes, you are correct. It's not a choice to be born that way. But it IS a choice to act that way towards those feelings they have.
And I agree with you, it's not right for someone to make others feel guilty for the decisions that person has made.
I believe in agency, the right for each person to choose, but I also believe in the right for others to declare what they believe, whether they are for or against the decision. I don't think that it's right for someone to stand by and not say or declare what they believe if it doesn't settle right with them-which yes, sometimes might hurt the person. However-they shouldn't shove those rights and beliefs on another person, just because they disagree. Neither one should.
Does that make sense?
(June 11, 2019 - 12:41 pm)
THANK YOU JOAN.
It’s so nice to see someone that finally gets that point. Being attracted to the same gender may not be a choice, but acting on those feelings is a choice. You put all my thoughts into words, so thank for posting both this comment and the previous one.
(June 12, 2019 - 9:02 am)
That just feels..Kind of messed up. Do you know how hard it is to pretend to be something you aren’t because people ‘don’t support the decision to act on your feeling’? Do you know how much it hurts? Do you know how many choose to disappear because it is too painful to hide?
I wish you did, because, it is the worst possible feeling. I wish you knew what we go through everyday, just a fraction of it, and then maybe your views on this would change.
(June 12, 2019 - 12:10 pm)
I’m sorry.
I doubt my views would change, because it’s a moral issue I have, but I’m still sorry. I don’t know how much that hurts, or how hard it is, but I can imagine. And I truly wish you didn’t have to go through that.
I’m not sure how to fix it. Homosexuality goes against my religion and my beliefs. But you have my sympathy.
(June 12, 2019 - 12:54 pm)
I don't know if you are directing this comment at me, or at Leeli, but I'm going to respond anyways.
First I'll start off by saying hello. :) And thank you for stating your opinions respectfully.
I understand it's hard to pretend to be something you're not. I feel your pain. I started crying when I read your post. And I'm sorry that you feel hurt. This was not any of my intentions-I never want to hurt someone based off of their own beliefs and opinions. And it may seem that I'm attacking others beliefs, but truly, I'm only standing for what I believe in. I wish not to force my beliefs on anyone in any way.
I personally have not gone through any of what others have gone through-I don't have feelings towards the same gender as me, nor have I felt the change to change my pronouns or my gender. But I understand what you are going through because I see it in my life. One of my family members personally goes through this, and he struggles with it a lot.
Again, I'm sorry that you feel hurt. And feel the need to hide. I know there are many people who feel the need to hide. And it hurts me that they feel that way. Because I believe that we need to be accepting of that person, although they might not support the decision(s) made totally.
And you're right, I might not understand totally because I haven't personally gone through it. But I want to understand by listening to your opinions and views. It helps me gain a little bit more knowledge about how you feel personally, and my views on understanding others will change a littl e for the better.
Again, I'm sorry that you feel hurt. That was not my intention to hurt anyone. Or start a fight. I simply desired to stand for my opinion and beliefs.
Thank you again.
(June 12, 2019 - 2:28 pm)
@Joan
I can understand and respect your opinions, but, again, I must disagree.
As I said in my last post, my gender identity and sexuality are a part of who I am. And asking me not to act upon those ‘feelings’ is asking me to hide a part of myself. I’ve had to hide myself for many years, and still do, for fear of not being accepted, or, even violence because I simply identify differently.
I am not saying your beliefs are innately wrong. Just that they can make people feel as if they can not be themselves. And I don’t think this was your intent, but, your intent or otherwise, it still does.
Now, to end this, I just want to remind you that, as a Debater, I don’t think any less of anybody I am debating against, I know that sometimes it can feel that way, and I don’t want you to feel as if I do. I still respect and think of you as a great friend, and I hope you can do the same to me.
Love you all,
<3 June
(June 12, 2019 - 1:14 pm)
Hello again June. :)
I'd like you to please read my other posts as well. This will explain more of my opinions, and how I do not wish to hurt anyone, or make them feel as if they need to hide. I'm not trying to degrade their own opinions and beliefs. And I am not asking you to stop acting upon those feelings. Nor am I trying to force my opinions and beliefs on you. I'm not trying to blame you. I'm not trying to make you feel bad in any way.
None of these things were my intention. I only wished to explain my own beliefs and opinions. I'm sorry that I hurt you in any way by making you feel that you need to hide again.
And thank you for respectfully expressing your own opinions and beliefs and understanding my opinions and beliefs as well. I still respect you as well for expressing your own beliefs, and admire you for doing so. You and others with different opinions help me to see the world a little better, so thank you. And of course I can do the same to you by respecting you. :)
(June 12, 2019 - 3:29 pm)
@Joan Thank you so much for saying that. You read my thoughts exactly and you put them in a very respectful way. Even though I'm technically leaving, I'll always be grateful to you.
Sheesh, that was dramatic. I originally just meant to say "thanks"...
(June 11, 2019 - 5:40 pm)
@Joan Of Ark
I would like to start this off saying that I understand and respect your opinion, although, I must politely disagree with certain areas of your post.
You said that you do not necessarily agree with the ‘decision’ to be transgender or gay (homosexual). What you may not understand is that neither of those things are a choice. I’m saying this as a Gender-Fluid, Pansexual human being. It was not a choice for me to be who I am. It is just that; Who I am.
Ever since I can remember, I was constantly changing from feminine to masculine, and to somewhere in between. I wasn’t educated at that time about what it was, because, my parents where currently in a religion that did not except or support the LGBTQIA+ community. Furthermore, the world was far less excepting.
But, as soon as I learned what it was, I just knew. I knew that was who I was. Who I had always been, even if I couldn’t explain it. I tried to ‘come out’, first to my older brother, thinking he would except me no matter who I was. But, well, it didn’t go as planned. He has a personality type that likes to have people in boxes; and keep them there. He started yelling, saying I was lying, that I had just read it in a book and was trying to be cool. It broke my heart, and, I hid away again. Back in the closet. It took me forever to try to come out to anybody else in my family.
When I did, my parents excepted me with open arms. I was relieved. And, although some bumps came up, and still come up in the road, making me feel unloved, I know they are here for me.
It was the same with my sexuality, except, that was this year, when I started to feel attracted to people, or have romantic impulses.
I know it might be difficult to understand my side, so, try to think about it this way; It was not a choice for your gender-identity, correct? Or your sexuality?
And, although it might seem different when you are cis and straight, but, it isn’t really. Gender-identity and sexuality is not a choice. It is just a part of who you are.
Does that make sense?
I dont want want you to leave, I love you, I love all of you, even if our beliefs don’t always match up, I just want you to try to understand my side, like I have tried to understand yours.
Love you all,
<3 June
(June 11, 2019 - 3:07 pm)
Hello June. :)
Please refer to my second post/reply which is posted underneath Leeli's response to Hooded's message on the 2nd page of this post; my reply was posted right after I saw Hooded's second message.
I believe that may help you with what you say above.
And I won't leave. I haven't left yet, even admidst all these disagreements with others, and even though I might not agree either.
Which is why I try not to get involved often. I believe that diversity is good in this world, even though I don't agree with most of it, and the choices made to act upon those feelings. But I don't think it's right that someone treats another differently because of that choice made.
Thank you for stating your opinion respectfully and your beliefs respectfully. I wish not to start any fights with anyone. So thank you.
Again, please refer back to my second reply to Hooded's message. Thank you.
(June 12, 2019 - 12:13 pm)
thank you, June. I was too scared to post on this thread anymore, even though I created it. All I want to say is... I want to be able to be in a place we’re I can be myself to some extent. A huge amount of myself comes from the LGBTQ+ community. I want to be able to be friends with all of you without it being awkward or anything like that. Is that ok? :)
(June 12, 2019 - 2:26 pm)
Of course we can all be friends. We may not agree about some things, but I’m not going to exclude you because of that. :)
(June 12, 2019 - 6:57 pm)
Yes. Yes, yes, yes. Absolutely yes. Yes.
(June 12, 2019 - 8:27 pm)