Harry Potter= awesomeness
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Harry Potter= awesomeness...
Harry Potter= awesomeness. in my eyes. I really really really love Harry Potter. I've read all the books, and the worst characters, one of them is one of the best. So, I'm just saying, that I like Harry Potter, and I'll do anything to get my hands on one again. and when I was in confession, the preist told me a new book was coming out,: The Tales of Beetle the Bard. So bye and thank you for reading (if you did).
submitted by Marguerite, age 10, Deerfield (you
(April 17, 2009 - 3:21 pm)
(April 17, 2009 - 3:21 pm)
Does Pope Benedict also oppose the Twilight series because it glorifies creatures of darkness, stalking, abuse, Jacob's BD thing, racism, classism, ageism, etc....?
Harry Potter does not blur the line between good and evil. It is made /very very/ obvious that Voldemort is BAD and Harry, while flawed and a relatively believable character, is GOOD. Harry is kind, despite his tendency to take out his troubles on other people; Harry is very loyal to his friends; Harry does not allow himself to be tempted by the allure of the Dark Arts. Voldy, on the other hand, is heartlessly cruel, even to his followers, even to the woman who serves him loyally and very obviously loves him; Voldy loves nothing and no one except himself; and Voldy is the most evil wizard in the world.
Sure, in the HP world there are grey areas. No one is perfect. Harry can be nasty, pig-headed, and rude. Harry is impulsive and he ignores the good advice of his friends on multiple occasions. He often lets his temper get the better of him (see him yelling at Dumbledore at the end of OotP). He's not afraid to use an Unforgivable Curse (in DH) in order to get what he needs. However, he has a good heart and he readily thinks of his friends' safety and happiness ahead of his own.
Take Dumbledore as another example. Dumbledore believes firmly in the power of good over evil; the power of a pure, whole soul over the power of a broken one, despite the broken soul's body being (relatively) immortal. Sure, Dumbledore planned to do what Voldy did - but his sister's death caused him to reform, immediately and completely. He's good now, even if he wasn't in his teen years.
If you're referencing the "there is no good and evil; there is only power, and those to weak to seek it" line, that was a VILLAIN saying that in justification for his actions, and he was later DEFEATED completely. In writer-speak, that's like saying "that's what that guy thought, but he was wrong."
Now, about it "cutting off young reader's relationships with God" and "promoting secularism."
Harry Potter does nothing of the kind. I'm not particularly religious myself - I believe in God, I go to church, I pray, yeah, but at the moment I'm not entirely sure what I believe. I look at the church and I see an awful lot of browbeating going on (subtle browbeating is still browbeating). I think there is a God, but I'm not sure I want to be a part of the church (does that make any sense?). And I'm not sure if I'm comfortable with such a vindictive, judgmental God, either.
None of my opinions on God and religion have anything to do with my reading Harry Potter starting, um, when I was about nine or ten? When I was that age (and for some time afterwards) I was a very serious little religious thing. It was only later, after reading stuff like Les Mis, Wicked, and other books that actually discuss religion, God, and sort of thing, combined with my obvious naivete as a child (and my wonderings about it) that got me started in my more cynical views of God and religion (and science, and the government, and lots of other things really.)
I know I can speak only for myself, but Harry Potter had nothing to do with my religious life, thanks very much. Unless you want to argue that it's a subconscious catalyst or some such.
Now, promoting secularism. What?
Secular is defined by the dictionary imp in my computer (tooo much Pratchett) as:
1 denoting attitudes, activities, or other things that have no religious or spiritual basis : secular buildings | secular moral theory. Contrasted with sacred .
2 Christian Church (of clergy) not subject to or bound by religious rule; not belonging to or living in a monastic or other order. Contrasted with regular .
Um, yeah, so Harry Potter is secular. So are most other children's books. Heck, so are most adult books. HP has no spiritual basis; it's fantasy. It's FICTION. Neither does HP adhere to any religious rules, and by no stretch of the imagination does it belong to a monastery. If simply being secular means that it PROMOTES secularism, then, not only does HP promote secularism, then so do
-Sweeney Todd
-Phantom of the Opera
-Twilight (arguable. Twilight's got some pretty Mormon morals going on)
-Cricket Magazine
-1984
-Lord of the Rings
-Nightmare Before Christmas
-Eragon and the Inheritance series
-HG2tG
-Pretty much any nonfiction or fiction work that does not contain outright religious morals.
(April 20, 2009 - 6:36 pm)
Wow, TNÖ, that was a great argument! I couldn't have said it better myself - which is not saying much, as I'm not a brilliant argumentalist (made-up word), but you get my point. I totally agree!
(April 21, 2009 - 7:23 am)
Wow. I see what you're saying, TNO. I just don't like Harry Potter. And actually Pope Benedict didn't say that it promoted secularism (in his words, just the first couple things I wrote), that was just the point I got from reading his statements. I guess I'm just not a HP fan.
(April 21, 2009 - 10:29 am)
BRAVO, TNO (say it with me)!
Also, HP celebrates Christmas, a Catholic/Christian holiday. I started to say that in my last post, but my mom was calling me for dinner... very loudly... and I seriously needed to eat. Also, I was already a few seconds late.
(April 21, 2009 - 6:37 pm)
However, it's not celebrating the religious side of the holiday; Harry & Co. celebrate the gift-giving, cheery, and nonreligious aspect of Christmas.
(April 21, 2009 - 8:24 pm)
Well, of course I respect your opinions. To each one's own. I'm curious, though -- what are Pope Benedict's argument against HP? (yes I'm addicted to debating)
(April 21, 2009 - 7:23 pm)
I just googled "Pope Benedict Harry Potter", and a ton of stuff came up. Here's some of the info: A lady named Gabriele Kuby wrote a book (originally in German) titled "Harry Potter - good or evil?". Ms. Kuby wrote that HP can "corrupt the hearts of the young, preventing them from developing a properly ordered sense of good and evil, thus harming their relationship with God while that relationship is still in its infancy." (quote from LifeSiteNews, a Catholic website) In a letter, Pope Benedict replied, "It is good, that you enlighten people about Harry Potter, because those are subtle seductions, which act unnoticed and by this deeply distort Christianity in the soul, before it can grow properly." (LifeSiteNews)
(April 21, 2009 - 11:37 pm)
Sorry, that's ridiculous. Some people get seriously paranoid about the littlest things. Next thing you know the color red won't be acceptable because it indicates the Devil. As long as a person retains the knowledge that differentiates between real life and fantasy, nothing can tempt them away from their faith, least of all a children's fiction novel.
(April 23, 2009 - 12:41 pm)
It's not quite as ridiculous as it might sound, especially since it's coming from the Pope. Anytime something is super-popular (yes, this includes books other than HP), people tend to get obsessive. If you can distinguish between real life and fantasy, this shouldn't be an issue. But the problem is that many people don't have a strong faith, and even small things can sway their reasoning. And what better way for the devil to tempt people away from their faith than with a seemingly-innocuous children's novel? I know that you might feel the same way about Twilight, but it seems to me that Twilight doesn't have the same aura of Godlessness about it. Souls are talked about at least once or twice in the series, and Breaking Dawn is relatively pro-life. Since I only read the first two HP books I could be wrong, but when I was reading them it seemed like God was trying to be put out of the picture. And TNO's right about the non-religious Christmas.
(April 23, 2009 - 10:46 pm)
Forgive me if I'm wrong, Maddy- but does Bella not occasionally remark, "Heaven/my soul seem like nothing when I consider Edward not loving me" or something to that extremely, er... misled... tone?
And the fact remains that the morals of the Harry Potter books are perfectly clear to anyone (I think) with half a brain: Good triumphs over evil, love over hate, friendship over emnity. I grant you that with the romance/violence/occasional sort of coarse language they are probably not books for anyone under the age of eight or so, but that has no relation whatsoever to the religious aspect (or lack of it) of the series.
(April 24, 2009 - 3:28 pm)
Bravo, Mary!
Now, Maddy, you say you've only read the first two books? Yes? Well, in the, um, fifth-six-seventh books souls are discussed quite in depth. It would seem that Voldy ripped his soul into seven pieces, and stored six of the seven pieces in vessels outside his body (Horcruxes, they're called) in an attempt to make himself immortal. This is how he managed to come back.
Dumbledore is constantly referring to this, telling Harry that Harry is at the advantage because he has a good, complete soul (it's all in one piece). Even though Voldy's mutilated soul provides him with immortality, Harry has the advantage because his whole soul keeps him human - and therefore able to love, and feel, where Voldy isn't entirely human anymore.
This is quite acceptable, Biblically speaking. After all, it's better to live in poverty and keep one's soul than to inherit the world and lose it. Or something to that effect, anyway. Essentially, that's what Dumbledore was telling Harry.
Compare to the "discussion" of souls in the Twilight series:
-Edward angst about not having a soul and being a monster.
-Bella thinks that heaven is nothing compared to looking at Edward.
-Edward refuses to destroy Bella's soul by turning her into a vampire.
-Bella declares that she doesn't give a rat's dirty hind leg about her soul so long as she gets to live with Edward forever.
THAT is ungodly.
(April 24, 2009 - 5:33 pm)
Yep. I guess I'm just not an HP fan. :) Dumbledore really bugs me. Along with everybody else in the series...but that's just me.
(April 24, 2009 - 9:46 pm)
That's okay. We respect your opinion. :)
(April 26, 2009 - 5:25 pm)
I'm pretty sure Bella didn't say that. Unless I'm forgetting it, which I could be. :)
(April 24, 2009 - 6:01 pm)
WHAT??? LOTR PROMOTING SECULARISM??? WHAT??
(November 4, 2010 - 3:30 pm)