Sustainability and Overco

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Sustainability and Overco

Sustainability and Overconsumption Thread

Fast fashion is a major issue. Many sources say that the clothing industry is responsible for up to 10% of global emissions. Other statistics (that i did not do a ton of fact checking on) say that the cultivation of cotton for 1 t-shirt produces more than one kilogram of CO2. From there, there’s processing and sewing and shipping and it can come up to 7 kilograms - before the customer even takes the shirt home. From there, washing and drying only adds more and more.

For such an energy-intensive process, the average amount of times to wear a piece of clothing is 7-10. This is an average, so there are going to be outliers, but it’s terrifyingly low. It’s estimated that 80 to 150 billion clothes are produced each year. But almost no fashion companies put out a number, probably because they don’t want people to know the ridiculous amount of waste they create.

there’s certainly too much trash. Even when clothes are donated, they aren’t always resold. The US exports over a billion pounds of clothing a year to places like Ghana. From there, a lot get thrown in the trash. A lot of what is given there isn’t even high enough quality for it to be reused by anyone. Only between 10 and 30 percent of secondhand donations to charity shops actually get resold in store. 

A lot of these retailers keep the prices low. How? Very few major retailers of clothes (even ones that claim to be sustainable!) treat their workers well. From an article published in 2023, some garment makers in Bangladesh make as little as $3 a day. If you exploit your workers, you can make things cheaper. But this doesn’t mean that more expensive clothes are made in better conditions - most of the time it just means they use more expensive materials and just have a higher price.

How bad are the factories? child labor abounds, and if kids are working in factories, they can’t go to school or have a decent childhood or, most likely, get out of the cycle of poverty. And there are so many safety issues. For instance, materials used in making the items can be toxic and cause severe health issues (which you can’t afford to get help with if you make that little money). (on the topic of other industries, people who mine gold often amalgamate it using mercury and inhale a bunch of the fumes. It is not good.)

Companies aren’t helping. Through planned obsolescence, they make items that are specifically designed to break down so you have to buy a new one. For instance, a lot of phones and computers are designed so you can’t repair them, no matter how hard you try. and printer ink cartridges often still have ink when you’re told to replace them. Even worse, if you look up the term, you get stuff defending it. Regardless of if it’s specifically intentional or not, every company’s goal should be to not contribute to the massive pile of waste on the planet. New better cameras and features are not worth, for instance, bleaching coral reefs to the point where they’ll never return, or causing dangerous heatwaves (especially dangerous to people who can’t afford medical care). Most people are not videographers, and if they were, they'd probably at least hope to get better supplies, instead of just a phone camera.

So what to do? The best solution is to just not buy new clothes or items whenever it's avoidable, and buy them second-hand when you do need them. Obviously at some point you’ll need to, but can you postpone it? Do you really need it? Can you learn to mend? Mending doesn’t have to be boring - what about a cool patch on a hole in the knee of some pants? But even if it is boring, it’s incredibly easy and hand-sewing can look very professional and not even be noticeable. I’ll post more on mending later! the most sustainable option is always the one you already own.

So far this has been focused on clothes. However, it’s equally important to reduce the amount of other items that you buy. Most of what’s been written is true about any other item.

If you try writing down the amount of items (that aren't something like food or medical supplies or something truly necessary, more like clothes or stuffed animals or books) that you or your family have bought in a year, the number very well might surprise you. don’t get too worried about timeline here - just write down anything that comes to mind. consider the amount of resources that any one given item would have taken. Does the item have any plastic in it? (Many things you might not expect, like a lot of fabrics, do.) All that’s going to happen is that it’s going to turn into microplastics, which are potentially very harmful to everyone. Plastic doesn’t really biodegrade. 

You can't undo what's already done, so don't beat yourself up about old things you've bought. Also, I'm not saying you have to give up anything you like! You just have to be responsible about it. For instance, maybe you only buy books you'll want to reread, and others you can get at the library. (My library will take book requests to buy; yours might too.)

I’d say the most important takeaway is to expand the lifespan of your items. If it’s at all possible to fix something that’s broken, do it! Ideally, everything you own would be bought with the expectation that you will take the time to try to fix it if it breaks. Also, get a drying rack! Drying takes more energy than washing, and it also is very harsh on your clothes. If you let them dry on a rack, it’ll both take less energy and make your clothes last longer. You could even handwash your clothes (but i’d say rack drying is a higher priority). And check how sustainable the places you’re buying from are. Most of the time, more sustainable items cost way more because they’re actually paying their workers, etc; however if you buy less clothes this may be less of an issue. You can buy a coat that will last for 20 years or have to buy one every few years, if that makes sense. It’s also important to note that many companies overstate how sustainable they are. Any company that has new releases every few weeks or months is probably not that sustainable. Just because something is organic doesn’t mean it was made in a low emissions factory that doesn’t create a lot of toxic runoff into the environment and isn’t cruel to workers. Always research companies with keywords like “greenwashing” and “unsustainable” added to the search; always be suspicious.

While obviously at some point you won’t be able to fix an item anymore, and you’re going to need new things sometimes, the more you can avoid it the better. But even one person makes a small difference in the long run. In the end, we need everyone to try, and much more action to prevent this sort of thing in companies and find better solutions than forcing other countries to take care of our trash.

So, what else can you do? Spread the word! If people don’t realize how harmful their actions are, they’re not going to know they need to stop them. There are many options for this - telling people in person or in letters, making flyers (you have my full permission to take any part of this and put it into the flyers, as much as you want - though i would reccomend fact checking and citing your information, since I can’t add sources on the CB), writing a letter to a local newspaper. You can also write to companies that contribute the most to the issue and tell them that you dislike the problems with the way they run, or to government officials. 

It’s also likely that your average CBer isn’t even the worst contributor, so extra care should be taken around avoiding and disincouring things like clothing haul videos on social media.

I might post more about flyers later, since I might be trying to make a campaign there (since i think it’d be more effective than the other one i tried). But i'm already overwhelming the Admins XD if anyone has questions let me know and i'll try to answer!

submitted by Blackfooted Bobcat, age Siegfried, ~Swan Lake~
(July 23, 2024 - 2:03 pm)

I take the train whenever I can! It's fun, fast, and avoids traffic and stress. 

submitted by Sinusoidal
(July 23, 2024 - 5:57 pm)

Thank you SO, SO MUCH for taking the time and effort of researching and writing this, Bobcat!!! This is really helpful!! Is it possible for me to copy all this and send it to my friends? 

And I want to add some notes of my own:
- first of all, what BB said about factchecking is super important. Lots of sources can be biased, whether intentionally or accidentally, and it's important to make sure you're not spreading misinformation and/or disinformation. I'll come back later with more regarding this :)
- another thing that's really wasteful is food. Pleaseee try to eat all your food before it expires, bring your food home from restaurants if you can't finish it, don't buy more than you think you will eat. I'll come back with more about that, too.
- also, a lot of times, we buy lots of unnecessary stuff! But I have to get ready for Girl Scouts, so also more on that later... but again, thank you so much BB!!!!! Ok, bye!
submitted by CelineTopping Bright
(July 23, 2024 - 6:51 pm)

yesss yes! please send it to friends, that's amazing, thank you! send it to like everyone you know!! also on food mention, because beef and cheese/dairy and animal products are super major pollutors and also they don't treat the animals well unless the whole thing is that they treat the animals well, try to eat less meat. i don't think any plant product makes as much pollution as animal products (which include milk and eggs, if lesser, though cheese is more because lots of milk). more on that later probably :D

submitted by Bobcat@Celine, age Odette and, Seigfried, ~Swan Lake~
(July 23, 2024 - 7:07 pm)

also for fact checking - always consider what a company or blog has to gain from writing something. many, if not most, people don't want to contribute to climate change. So fashion companies write about things that will make them sound good - whether they provide evidence of having them or not, whether they do them or not, even when there are still major issues in everything else. it's called greenwashing. also, most companies only care about getting more money at any cost, so if people make it clear they won't buy if they don't get better, they might consider it. though it would require changing the entire business modle. 

should also noting that some people legitimately can't afford to buy sustainable clothes, but if you can, you absolutely should. also TAKE CARE OF THEM!! and don't throw them away if you can avoid it AT ALL. 

also if you want to still have cool clothes and fashion, that's still possible, but probably more thrifting and doing it yourself. is having another piece of clothes worth supporting companies that blanket towns in smog and pollute rivers once full of life and so much more? (I have asthma and I cannot imagine how awful that must be for anyone, but especially anyone with asthma or lung stuff.) 

also i will look into how to donate clothes in a way that doesn't mostly get wasted, because i'm wondering that now

submitted by Blackfooted Bobcat, age ensemble, swans! ~Swan Lake~
(July 23, 2024 - 7:21 pm)

I am back! Except I am going to go bingewatch stuff with my mom :D so short post again and the next time I can post might be like 10... but yayy, thank you!!! And yessss to everything!! You said a lot of what I was gonna say about fact-checking, so thank you for that! And wait I have asthma too! If you can, have you tried swimming? That (for some reason (something about like training your lungs to... breathe better??)) helps a LOT with it (at least it did in my case)! But yeah bye again--

submitted by CelineBurning Bright, Gravity Falls
(July 23, 2024 - 9:59 pm)

It annoys me so much that companies (specifically computers and electronics) don't make stuff high quality anymore. For example, my laptop computer only worked for four years, and I barely used it in the last year because it was so slow and glitchy. On the other hand, my parent's old Wii has been working in perfect condition for almost thirty years, with no problems at all! 

submitted by Darkvine
(July 24, 2024 - 10:37 am)

yep, that's exactly what everyone in my family is always saying... the old stuff just works better. I have an old computer that works beautifully and hardly ever crashes, and a newer one that's always overheating, crashing, slowing down, refusing to cooperate, and generally having tantrums. The old one doesn't have internet, though, and the newer one belongs to my dad. Still, I've been using the newer one a lot these past few months. My parents were going to buy me a computer of my own, but we decided I'd just use my dad's instead because we don't want to go around buying stuff we don't need; at least I already know all the quirks of this computer; and goodness only knows how a brand-new computer would behave...

submitted by Poinsettia
(July 24, 2024 - 10:08 pm)

Whenever our family has food scraps or something similar, we convert it to compost and add it to our garden :)

submitted by Moon Wolf, age lunars, A Celestial Sky
(July 24, 2024 - 11:09 am)

This is AMAZING @Blackfooted Bobcat! It's so important that people know about this stuff. And it's going to be up to our generation to do something about it.

submitted by WiLdSoNg
(July 24, 2024 - 12:59 pm)

Oh my goodness, Bobcat, thank you so much for making this thread. It's so vitally important to raise awareness about consumption and global warming, and your explanation was so comprehensive and clear and all in all it's just so great to have a thread like this :) I agree with absolutely every single thing you said.

One of the resources that's most useful for discovering the truth about consumption, is The Day the World Stops Shopping, by J B MacKinnon - a fascinating book that opens your eyes to the way the world is really working. There's actually a thread about it, here's the link: https://www.cricketmagkids.com/chatterbox/blababoutbooks/node/547939

Taking the discussion one step further, one thing that's really concerning is the effect of consumption on society and individuals. Enormous corporations gain more and more power at the cost of local economies - which means that the people who run these corporations are in charge of virtually everything that goes on. Their money makes them influential, while the fact that they own many organizations at once means that they can even dictate social movements. Here's a real-life example....

My best friend, who's just gotten enrolled in college, recently received an email offering her a position as a "campus organizer" for a certain magazine. This meant that, if she accepted the position, she would be paid by the magazine to raise awareness on her college campus about voting rights and the importance of voting. However, she would also be asked to try to influence people to vote a certain way and to take a particular stance on certain issues. She could also try for the position of campus coordinator or statewide coordinator, taking charge of teams of people who were working to influence people's votes. These efforts were being carried out across various states, not just in her university.

This means that the magazine is literally hiring people to attempt to influence college students to vote in a particular way.

Then my friend and I did some research, and discovered that the magazine is owned by an enormous corporation which also owns other communication and technology companies. I don't know about you, but I find that very concerning. It's part of the reason I'm so outwardly noncommittal about many social issues; I have strong opinions on them, but I don't choose to get involved in the debate around them. Those debates are just dividing communities and people and distracting everyone from taking action - and they are literally funded by megacorporations. It's sad what the world has come to :(

Anyway,  I am thoroughly convinced that everyone absolutely has to reduce consumption, even if only by a little bit - it's one of the most positive things you can do! Got to go now but yay cheers down with consumption!!! *balloons appear and float off into the sky*

submitted by Poinsettia
(July 24, 2024 - 9:58 pm)

Hi admins! I just have a question about why the above post was edited? A few things were removed from it:

-my reference to a specific magazine

-my reference to a specific media company

-my statement about mobilizing large groups of people

I'm not mad or upset, and I totally understand that you must have had reasons for editing it, but I'd just like to know why - just so next time, I can understand better how to word a post (and also because I'm a little curious). Thanks!

We generally avoid references to specific publications or companies because we don't have the time or staff to check every specific comment that might be submitted about them, and we avoid just about everything political.

Admin

submitted by Poinsettia
(July 27, 2024 - 8:30 pm)

Ah, that makes sense! Thanks again :)

submitted by Poinsettia
(July 27, 2024 - 8:52 pm)

okay so i can see where you're coming from and it definitely is concerning that companies are paying people to convince people to vote a certain way, but at the same time the issues would still exist without that (be it climate change or racism or queerphobia or any number of other things), so it's definitely not worth not getting involved in the debate or activism because of that. also i wouldn't necessarily say debates are stopping people from taking action; what do you mean by that?

submitted by Blackfooted Bobcat
(July 28, 2024 - 2:35 pm)

oh i always have so much to say about this topic! overconsumption is literally destroying our planet.

i'm currently reading this book called the conscious closet by elizabeth l. kline, and it really helped me with my wardrobe because clothes are something i really love, and even though i go thrifting 90% of the time i'm shopping, i still discard my clothes too fast. and i am aware enough that i typically get my mother to post my old clothing on facebook marketplace, or give it to refugees that need it. but it really reminded me how quickly i phase out my outfits, and help me with building a better, more sustainable wardrobe.

anyway i also wanted to say that influencers can be an example of overcomsumption.  i can't even tell you in words how many things some of them purchase. One person's closet looks like she bought the contents of an entire store. she could probably clothe hundreds and hundreds of people with the amount of outfits she has. and she is only one of the thousands of influencers like this.

and the mistreated, underpaid workers is only one problem. the effect it has on climate change is huge. not to be morbid, but the human race is going to die out eventually if this doesn't stop. and bobcat you're so right--the companies WANT this to happen. because, yes, the more consumption, the more money they get. but the issue is that people are not doing what i'm doing with their clothes--they're throwing them in the trash when a small problem arises, instead of trying to fix it, or investing in better quality clothing. 

aaghhh i literally could talk for hours about this. it makes me so frustrated!! 

submitted by anastasia, the archives
(July 25, 2024 - 9:53 am)

lol sorry guys my bit about influencers doesn't make too much sense--admins edited that part a lot not sure why--are we not allowed to say the names of online influencers or something? honestly it would be nice if you guys just created a set list of rules because it seems like they change depending on who is checking the post. 

anyway the gist of what i said was about this one girl, a self made millionaire i believe--and i love her vibe, she seems super fun and silly, but i stopped watching her because of how much money she spent--13,000 dollars on a plane ticket just because she thought it was fun. she then proceeded to complain about how the food wasn't that good, and the drinks were awful...it was insane. 

 

I apologise if by changing the wording your original intention got lost. I will discuss with the other admins about being more specific in our set of rules. - Admin

submitted by anastasia, the archives
(July 25, 2024 - 3:09 pm)