I feel this

Chatterbox: Chirp at Cricket

I feel this

I feel this community has grown less welcoming to certain groups of people. I just want to ask if everyone here tries to be as accepting and non-discriminatory as possible. It's a community I love, but I may have to leave it if some changes are not made.  

Thank you 

I'm sorry you feel this way, whoever you are. Everyone is equally welcome here.

Admin

Please see new note from Admin at the end of this thread.

submitted by +
(June 25, 2017 - 9:25 am)

Okay I'm really confused. What is this forbidden topic we are dancing around? Can someone tell me even just the general idea? Vague terms maybe? Admins? I agree with those one her when I say it doesn't seem to be a big problem.

I am simply curious to know what we're talking about.  

Gender issues.

Admin

submitted by I have a question
(June 28, 2017 - 9:36 pm)

I'm confused as to why everyone refers to this as the "gender" war or about "gender" issues. I don't think it really has to do with gender. This topic is more about loving.

@Admins 

I hope this is okay and not an inappropriate explanation. 

You're right, Applejaguar. And explicit loving/romance is on our list of inappropriate themes for Chatterbox.

Admin

submitted by Applejaguar, age !!, New York
(June 29, 2017 - 5:17 am)

Purely out of curiosity, what is the limit that qualifies as explicit loving/romance? Because there is mild romance spread across stories here, like crushes or sometimes even falling in love. 

At Admin's discretion.

Admin

submitted by Question
(June 29, 2017 - 7:55 pm)

I agree. But this is also about how the CB is changing along with the CBers. We're growing up...but we need to keep it appropriate for the younger people.

submitted by Silverwaxwing
(July 1, 2017 - 11:01 am)

I'm sorry that you feel that way, but I can kind of see what you mean. I don't think that anyone's trying to be discriminatory on purpose, but I feel like LGBTQA+ characters seem. . . rather uncommon. I'd like to make it clear that I don't think anyone here is discriminatory in any way, shape or form, but what I think is that we're not used to seeing LGBTQA+ characters represented in society (although this has changed :)), so we're all a tiny bit subconsciously biased. I'm not accusing anyone of anything, I just think that because of the way society has raised us, LGBTQA+ characters, people of color, and other underrepresented groups aren't exactly on our radar when we do something, like make an RP character. I confess, I've been guilty of this. But the Chatterbox is always growing, changing, we're opening our eyes and making our marks in the world. More and more of us have become conciouly aware and are trying to make a difference. So +, I understand you, but as we develop as a community, we'll change, as we've already begun to do.  

submitted by September
(June 29, 2017 - 1:29 am)

I've seen a real surge in LGBTQAI+ characters and characters of different races recently. I think the Diversity War opened our eyes a bit, and now asking for diverse characters is a common rule in solo writes/RPs (I've also noticed an upsurge in male characters, which is also something that's been asked for). Yes, the CB's certainly not perfect, but the Admins are doing a great job to keep it both safe and diverse, so I applaud that.

submitted by St.Owl, age Recarnated, Everywhere
(June 29, 2017 - 10:49 am)

Oh, I get so happy seeing RPs and Solo Writes and things wanting more diverse characters!! Whether LGBTQAI+, different races, or more, it's spectacular. So yeah, while I wish the Admins were a bit looser, I do think they are doing quite a good job. And yes, while the war was awful, I feel it really did open everyone's eyes more! 

submitted by Ashlee G., age 16, The Dreamer
(June 29, 2017 - 5:11 pm)

I have mostly ingnored this thread, but this is too much. This is riddicolous. I feel directly discriminated against.

When I first read your policy statement, I was like "Wow! They will let us clearly state who is and who is not one way, but just not have a discussion about it."

And I promise that I will make this better.  

I'm sorry you feel this way, Garad. What you quote above is generally correct. But we can't put every specific circumstance into a detailed rule. Admin will always review each comment and post only those parts that follow our guidelines. For further understanding, please refer to the two comments from BHR on page two of this thread.

Admin

submitted by Gared
(June 29, 2017 - 10:44 am)

Admin, I will back away. I don't want this turning into a war that separates more of the family-community we have here. I am actually thinking maybe delete this thread? I apologize, Admin.

Thank you, Place. We are currently considering the future of this thread. Again, I refer everyone to the comments from BHR.

Admin

submitted by Place
(June 29, 2017 - 11:05 am)

I created this thread and I do not want it deleted

submitted by +
(June 29, 2017 - 1:28 pm)

Although... Admin, I understand why you deleted a comment and half another one. I got too rash too quickly, which is why I apologized. But why part of this one too? I only said something like, "While I am still upset-" just expressing my feelings. Because I was a bit offended. Is that not allowed, to express that?

I can't remember specifically. There are too many comments each day to remember them all. It may have been because of what you said you were upset about.

Admin

submitted by Place
(June 29, 2017 - 8:14 pm)

Ah... okay. All I said was "While I am still upset" but never gave a reason. It's okay, I'll live!

submitted by Place
(June 30, 2017 - 1:02 am)

I'm sorry that you feel this way.

Here are a few statements. They are not meant to offend, and I hope sincerely that you're not offended.--

1. It is up to the child or teenager's parents to set these rules on certain groups of people, although swearing and inappropriate things are a general no on the internet for children.

2. The Admins can protect anybody while they are on a Cricket Media website, etc. However, the Admins cannot 'shield people from everything' (although they can shield people from anything on Cricket), due to the fact that there are other areas on the web--malware, chatrooms that have no filters whatsoever, and other things that I don't want to bring light to in this post.

3. The Admins have set rules saying that people must be accepting towards all groups of people. LGBTQ+ (I'm sorry, I'm not familiar with the actual abbreviation) people and characters are allowed, and people from every Religion (and non-Religion) are on here--Cayke is a Muslim, I'm a Christian, there are several Jews, Claaws is an Athiest--and Religious topics are allowed to be discussed as long as you are kind and open to other people's Religions and don't mock or make fun of them and keep an open mind. (Walk two moons in another man's moccasins, please.)

4. Did I miss something? Or say something wrong?

I'm sorry again that you feel this way, and I assure you that the Chatterbox is open to many people groups. 

 

submitted by Icy ❄, age 13inAugust, The Forest
(June 30, 2017 - 6:19 pm)

That sounds fair, and to my understanding is the current stance by the Admins.

Adding on some stuff on my own... 

The CB is welcome to people of everything--race, religion, ethnicity, personality, orientation, gender. Based on the Admins' decision that ended the Diversity Conflict, no kind of discrimination is acceptable. I don't believe we've had any problems with that recently. In fact, as I have expressed before on this thread, I think the CB is more open than ever before. It makes me really happy when I see RP's that even specifically encourage this kind of diversity. That's a really awesome thing. It makes me hopeful of us, the next generation and--although I know this sounds dramatic, but it's true--the future of the world.

Admin quote on that:  "Diverse characters are allowed on all threads. We won't allow threads that specify or are restrictive." If someone wishes to know more on this point, that Admin did have a followup to someone who needed clarification.

 

Changing what I'm talking about to how the Admins have things set up, to my udnertanding. Now here, to my understanding (I'll probably repeat that phrase a lot) is some of the standards set by Admins that are specific to the age range of Chatterboxers. 

As far as crushes/romance goes: What isn't fine by the Admins, to my understanding is really romantic scenes--and this goes for any characters, whether it's boy-girl, girl girl, boy boy, anything anything. We're allowed to have shipping, and crushes and such with our characters and alter egos as long as there is no inappropriate dialogue or action.

Here is an Admin quote about that. You may also refer to the entire Decision down below.

CBer: So, just to clarify, a "scene of light romance" between two AEs of the same gender would be okay, and not inappropriate? For example, if I have ____ and ____ go to a ball together and dance/hold hands/stuff like that, would it be considered post-able?

Admin: Yes, that is allowed as long as there are no overt scenes of romance like kissing etc. That goes for every character, straight or not. We will use our judgment as posts come in. ~Admin 

As far as discussing world issues go: We all know that the world (I refer to outside the CB, not the CB world) isn't perfect. Therefore, there are plenty of issues, some quite serious, or even mature. Plenty of CBers on here are what would be considered older, myself included. We are well aware of what goes on around us, and we often have the urge to discuss it. Some things we can, and those that we can have different degrees to which we can discuss them, in vauge or specific terms. The explanation for this, given by Admins, is that we have younger CBers, and the topics aren't appropriate for them.

What is considered appropriate?

Here is what the Admins' Decision we all refer to said:

"Cricket’s mission is to promote reading, writing, creativity, and community among all kids ages 9 to 14. We want the Chatterbox to be a welcoming place where everyone who visits feels encouraged to join in the stories and discussions. 

Not every topic on which you have passionate convictions is appropriate for this forum. Because of the range of age and maturity levels of kids who come to the Chatterbox, it remains our policy that this is not the place for discussions of gender identity issues and other controversial issues. Our older magazine for teens, CICADA, hosts a forum called the Slam, at cicadamag.com/theslam, with active discussion of gender issues within a very creative and supportive community. 

A second CB policy is that posts must be respectful and never hurtful. Disagreements are expected, but recently admins have had to delete, or leave unposted, a number of comments that, perhaps unintentionally, crossed the line of what we will allow. The admins become especially concerned when comments, whether meant to or not, have the effect of suppressing or shaming who another CBer is. That is not allowed.

The stories and role plays CBers create are mostly tales of adventure and light romance that can be enjoyed by kids in the full age range of the Chatterbox. A third fundamental Chatterbox policy is that stories about sexual themes, or with scenes of disturbing violence, drug abuse, etc., will not be posted. 

These polices help us make the Chatterbox an exceptionally great community of readers and friends. 

We hope that other CBers, while respecting the sensitivities of the broader Chatterbox community, will also feel comfortable creating characters as they wish to imagine them."

The Chatterbox is a big space with room for all. The admins will continue to monitor posts and comments closely, and there will always be borderline cases of what’s appropriate. The admins will try to make judgments that are in the best interests of the CB community and of individual CBers. 

Admins"

Admins, does all this sound right? If I am off on a point, please do not delete it...simply let me know how the actual judgement differs.

 

Owlgirl, right on! Thank you for taking the time to compile this. It will be very helpful to have it posted here.

Admin

submitted by Owlgirl, age 13
(June 30, 2017 - 7:52 pm)

I'm glad I could make something useful. At first I was just going to copy and paste the Decision, because people seemed to be wondering what the Admin's rules and stuff were, but not everything was in the Decision, such as answers to more specific questions, so I added that in explanation format.

 

Something else I wanted to add....I am mentioning no specific issues except like 3 words so pelase don't delete it:

Now, there's one part I started to add, but I took it off because I wasn't sure if that part I was discussing was actually the issue beign discussed on this thread. Then I saw St. Owl's thread, and realized it was indeed. So I posted a response to a question and answer she added on her thread, with some questions of my own.

The part I took off and then brought up again on St. Owl's post was three words that I noticed when the Decision was posted, but didn't think too much of....and is now mostly what is being discussed, and that is three words: "gender identity issues." Please do not deem this comment inappropriate, I am quoting directly from the Decision.

I made a post about this on St. Owl's thread, first expressing my understanding of the difficulties of the situation, then some thoughts I had, and then two questions I had. I thought extremely carefully about my words, pointing out evidence that had contradicted some answers being given to CBer's questions, specifically the ones on that thread. I am not attempting to question your judgement on that instance, but I did want to reintroduce it.

I did not see the post, even after I saw posts by other people that I know posted after me. Could an Admin tell me about that, or possibly reconsider their decision? I believe I was asking a question everyone was wondering. I did it in a careful format as well. 

-- 

About gender identity issues: Chatterbox is not the place to discuss them.

Admin

submitted by Owlgirl, age 13
(June 30, 2017 - 10:16 pm)