I doubt anyone
Chatterbox: Blab About Books
I doubt anyone else has read this, but I said I'd make at least 1
new thread, so I did. Here's what it's about. Actually, it's more like
a summary, but since this isn't really a book I'd recommend, just
ignore spoilers and read on, please, unless you're bored already, in
which case, feel free to go. Actually, the writing isn't bad, although
it isn't nearly descriptive enough, and the talking shell thing is well
done, considering that the idea is ridiculous, and Nisha is awesome, and the plot
is well done, I suppose, even though it's cliched, but overall, the
main character ruins everything. Anyway, this is a very boring rant, but if you read it anyway, you'll see I have an idea on how to make this thread useful.
A boy (who is a hopeless,
boring Gary Stu, by the way, and is always sorely tempted to do the
wrong thing when forced to make a decision, but does the right thing
anyway, and if you want his name, sorry, because I don't recall it, he
was too dull for me to pay attention—his only flaw was that he forgot
extremely important details whenever it was convenient for the
author—realistic, right? *smirk*) living in India is visited by a Wise
Old Man whose name I don't remember either, although in this case it's
only because it's too long—he was a Stu as well, and extremely cliched,
of course, but still not a horrible character or anything— who tells
the boy that a talking conch shell had been stolen, and he has to go
put it back where it belongs, and the boy is really excited, because he
has to work for a tyrant and has always dreamed of something like this
happening, but his mother won't let him go, so the Wise Old Man cures
the boy's little sister of a depression she's in because she had to
watch a man die a few years ago, and she hated it, but the Wise Old Man
had the ability to wipe people's memories, so the sister forgot all
about it and became happy again, so the mother let the boy go with thet
Wise Old Man. Then a girl named Nisha (if I actually remember her name,
you can tell she's a much
better character than the others,
trust me) appeared and begged to come with them. So they let her come,
because even though they didn't want anyone else with them, they
decided she would never let them go without her, and keep begging (I
wonder why they didn't just make her forget she wanted to go. It seems
like a plot hole to me.), so she came, but she wasn't informed where
the conch was kept (oh yeah, forgot to say that the Wise Old Man had
gotten it back, but its rightful place was still with the Brotherhood
of Healers who helped the suffering world though magic given to them by
the conch, or else they'd run out of magic or something like that; I
don't remember the details, and the boy slept with the conch
so that it wouldn't be stolen by an Evil Society), and so they kept
travelling towards the Silver Valley where the Brotherhood lived,
and then the Evil Society attacked, and Nisha betrayed the boy and Man,
because the Evil Society posessed her, and then she made them leave her (I think... I don't exactly remember, because although this was one of the most exciting parts, it was quite a while ago when I read this), and then the Wise Old Man seemed to disappear, and Nisha and the boy finally managed to get the Conch Thieves to leave, but the Wise Old Man was gone, so they were scared. Then a mongoose showed up and Nisha kept feeding it and treating it as a pet, which the boy angry because they had very little too eat even wiithout a pet. But, anyway, they kept travelling. When they reached the Silver Valley, the boy had to take some tests in order to be allowed in. While he was taking a test, Nisha confessed to himher theory that the mongoose was the Wise Old Man. Once he passed all the tests, he went in. He put the conch back where it belonged. Nisha was right, and the mongoose was the Wise Old Man. A Healer turned him back into his True Form. Nisha was allowed to join the Brotherhood, even though she was a girl (she had no family or friends other than the boy and the Wise Old Man, so she wanted to). The Stu-boy was given a choice. He could stay with the Brotherhood and help the world a lot, or he could go back to his loving family who missed him a lot. He was shown what his family was doing, and theywere eating dinner and going on about how much they missed him, and wished he would come home soon, and wondered if he was alive. Then he was told that the Brotherhood could make his parents forget he existed (using magic) and therefore allow him to join the Brotherhoodwithout causing his parents pain. He did so.
Is it just me, or does that seem wrong somehow? Let's make this a conclusion debate! They're something that Katie (not me, the other Katie) made up, in which you decide how a story should end. So, should he join the Brotherhood, or go home to his parents? Or should he do something else? Whichever side has the mostvotes by New Year's Day wins. You can always change your vote, but only until the deadline.
I say that he should decide to go to his parents, as it's wrong to wipe someone's memory without permission. After telling them all he's done and decided, they tell him to go back and join the Brotherhood, so he can save lives and help the world. Then, with their permission, he joins the Brotherhood. What do you think?
If anyone is still here by the time this is over, we can then do something similar, but instead of being about the ending, it will be about whether or not a certain moral is correct...
(December 27, 2009 - 4:46 pm)
Writing about Helena has given me a dreadful bias against memory charms, so I 'gree that they shouldn't have wiped his family's memories. Of course, that probably did give it a more substantial ending than it would've had otherwise, but like I said, Helena. Memory charms. Um... yes. *makes no sense*
So. H'm. Let's see... this is going to sound very over-imaginative, but say that he refused to join the Brotherhood because he wanted to go back to his family. So the Brotherhood gets very annoyed because they wanted him to, because, I dunno, he was the Chosen One or something dumb like that. Or whatever. So they kill the Stu-boy, and his family never gets their memories wiped, nor do they ever find out what happened to Gary, and they... live forever in torment or something like that.
Like I said, I'm feeling overly dramatic and imaginative right now. ;)
(December 28, 2009 - 1:49 pm)
Front, thread!
(December 28, 2009 - 6:17 pm)
Yeah, that would've worked too. It would've been much better than what really happened, anyway. Although The Brotherhood did give him a choice, so I doubt it would happen... But some really exciting event could take place so that they changed their minds.
And actually, he was a sort of chosen 1. They wanted him to guard the conch forever, but of course they were far too Stuish not to give him a choice.
Who's Helena? Should I have heard of her?
And it was just really weird the way he made his decision. He kept saying things like, "I know I could help more people if I joined the Brotherhood, but I miss my family so much..." and it was just so obvious what he would do—and he didn't even do it! The author really did just keep dropping hints to the contrary of what actually happened...
(December 28, 2009 - 9:12 pm)
Helena is an assassin from an RP on Inkwell, and she is awesome. I used her as a main character in my NaNovel. <3 And no, you probably shouldn't've heard of her, all things considered... but she is awesome. ;)
Frankly, this conch book sounds *crazy*. And the plot sounds... convoluted. (I mean, a talking shell? Ehm... what did it *say*?) The way you describe it, I don't blame you for not even remembering characters' names...
D'you recall who wrote it?
And, er. What exactly is the purpose of this... "Brotherhood"?
(December 29, 2009 - 12:37 pm)
If I remember correctly, Helena is the main character from Mary's NaNo.
I say Stu-boy decides to return to his family, is ambushed on the way by... violent people of some kind, and wakes up X days later with complete amnesia, and is then convinced that he has been brought up to live... um, violently, so now he's devoting his powers or whatever to evil and he starts to destroy the world. And meanwhile his parents suffer, bwah hahahahahahaha.
And then evil!Stu could become an atheist and get zapped a la Discworld. *nodnodnod*
*was up until 3 this morning*
(December 29, 2009 - 1:41 pm)
Hahaha, well Ima, that was fun to read. It sounds kinda like you didn't enjoy the book very much. I think my mom got this from the library once, but nobody read it... maybe it was giving off strange vibes....
I think he should have been allowed to visit his family or send them a note. Wiping their memories seems a bit extreme, and depressing. I'd hate to think my family doesn't know I exist. Plus, what if he ever got to go home on a holiday or something, and he had to no home to go to, since he'd declared himself famililess. Very depressing.
I read a book once where you could decide the end (well, actually, I've read several, but that's not the point). I think it was called The Weaver's Daughter (or something of the sort). I usually don't like it when they make you choose the ending, but I was very glad in this one, because it was quite obvious that the author wanted the girl dead.
Thanks for the very interesting thread topic, Ima!
(December 29, 2009 - 6:50 pm)
You're welcome!
I definitely think all of those endings would've been better than what happened...
I've read a story that seems very similar to the Weaver's Daughter. Actually, it was a very weird version of The Little Red Riding Hood, (the author's writing style reminded me of Percy Jackson and the Olympians, which is fine, but it just doesn't go with The Little Red Riding Hood of all things—and I never liked the story at all to begin with, but the writing just made it worse), and I doubt it was similar at all, but it was at least similar in that you could choose the ending and the author wanted the girl dead. I never actually chose either way, but I don't remember why.
@ TNÖ: Wait.. Become an atheist? What does religion have to do with it? Come to think of it, I'm pretty sure he was Hindu... How exactly is a person "Zapped a la Discworld," anyway?
(December 31, 2009 - 5:43 pm)
Haha, yes, I always think of books that end that way as similar even if they have nothing to do with each other!! Hahaha!!
(January 7, 2010 - 9:41 pm)