Ok. So this

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The Lord of the Rings
Ok. So this...

Ok. So this thread is about anything Tolkien. He is probably my favorite author. Eventually maybe we can go and write/plan what happens later. So... What is your favorite Tolkien book?

submitted by Strider, age 13, Earth, Inner Solar System
(October 6, 2016 - 9:28 am)

oh my gosh tolkien is AMAZING! my personal favourite is the hobbit but all the books are wonderful

submitted by DRAGON, age 15, the library
(October 6, 2016 - 1:26 pm)

Agreed. My personal favorite is the Two Towers, with The Return of the King coming in second.

submitted by Strider, age 13, Earth, Inner Solar System
(October 7, 2016 - 8:11 am)

Have to respectfully disagree! 

I really, really like the idea.  And I really, really liked the movies.

But the books?

Now, I consider myself a good reader. I read long books and love them.

But Tolkien had way too much detail for my taste. I like detail. Just not pages and pages of it. 

I have to say spending THREE pages on a feast is a bit much. Especially if the three pages are only on what type of food there was.

He took FOREVER to get into the action. And then, the action wasn't very dramatic. It isn't like BOOM! It's here!

Its like, wow! I didn't even notice the action was starting!

I did read the whole hobbit book. It was okay, I guess. I tried to read the Lord of the Rings. Nope, not happening. I got through one painful chapter and I've never picked it up again. Maybe I should try again sometime, because I think I last tried to read it about 1-2 years ago. 

submitted by Daisy, age BLOOM , FLOWERPOWER!!!!!!
(October 7, 2016 - 8:37 am)

Daisy I agree. Tolkien did spend a painful amount of time on the facts. One thing I like about it is that you can visualize well. But the bad part, like you mentioned, is that it takes an extremely long time to get to the action. The Hobbit is definitely more fast paced, and probably a better read. I would suggest one of the Lord of the Rings graphic novels. (I think they have these, I have seen some for the Hobbit) I'm not a big graphic novel person, but I still enjoyed them and they're definitely faster paced. But, the movies are magnificent. The CGI and actors alike are amazing, and I have watched all of the movies to many times to count.

submitted by Strider, age 13, Earth, Inner Solar System
(October 7, 2016 - 6:53 pm)

Strider, you handled that well. Smile

Anyways, I have to say...

The Plotline?

Brilliant! I want to know, however, a bit more about WHY they wanted the Rings, although Power is great, how did they get the idea to make them? How did they get the potent magic?

The books?

It depends on what type of reader you are. Personally, i cannot get through Tolkien's lavish descriptions. Bleh. Frown

The movies?

I don't really watch that many movies with blood, but I loved them! Also, big confession..

Lean in close so I can tell you this, very quietly....VERY quietly...I'm still a little embarassed.. I love to play this game called Lego Lord of the Rings on my DSI. It's quite poorly made...but I can't stop playing it... 

submitted by Icy, age 12!!!, The Forest
(October 7, 2016 - 11:32 pm)

I love that game!!! Except I have it for the Xbox 360.

submitted by Cho Chang
(October 18, 2016 - 1:37 pm)

Many thanks, Strider, for creating this thread! Hopefully it will have more success than mine have in the past.

My favorite Tolkienien book is impossible to determine. They are all so beautiful and different.

In regard to the details-- this is not the first time I've heard that there are too many of them.

I heartily disagree.

I'm at a point where I don't read books soley for the action scenes, the force drawing you onward-- I want to be completely, eternally immersed in the world and its story. 

I want to watch the sun and moon in their seasons, hear the song of the elves, feel the hidden dread of Moria, smell the new-crushed scent of athelas, taste a broken slab of lembas.

Now, in our day of screnn-centered media, everyone expects all good things to arrive instantly--if one has to wait for it, than, obviously, its not worth waiting for. 

But there was a time when books were what people had. They didnt have all the gore and film-scores and action and flashing lights to entertain them, and distract them from their own world. They had only the written word-- if only is even the right term.

They had sheaves of paper stamped all over with inked symbols and slashes. No blinking or rumbling or pounding or anything-- just a stack of pages.

But they didn't need the noise and motion and fanfare-- because the deep and exquisite detail provided them with all they needed to become absorbed in a new world or time or place. Rather then a jumble of half-linked film-scenes to embrace and control their minds, they had a scource of entertainment in which their imaginations were actually engaged.

Having grown up in a television-era myself, I concur that screen-based story-telling certainly provides an audience with a good deal of fun. But that doesn't mean that all books now need to shape themselves around the same principles as television.  

Another thing-- when I was younger, I liked The Hobbit but found The Lord of the Rings slow-paced, heavy and difficult-- in a word, boring. So, I stuck it on a shelf somewhere and didn't open it for years. Then, after all that time, I opened it up again- and here I am typing this right now.  If you don't like it just yet, that's normal and to be expected. Just don't toss it away and condemn it as boring or too difficult-- wait until you've aged a bit. There are plenty of books that I can't enjoy properly now-- but just because I am not personally ready for them doesn't mean they are bad in themselves.

Kay, I'd better quit now. Thank you for your perseverance!

submitted by Esthelle (Es-thel-ay, age Anonymous, Rivendell (I wish) ;)
(October 8, 2016 - 9:00 am)

Esthelle, that was BEAUTIFUL! *blinks back tears* I agree wholeheartedly, I was not able to read Lord of the Rings for years even though I wanted to. I have only now been able to truly enjoy it. Thank you for the wonderful speech.

submitted by DRAGON , age 15, The library
(October 8, 2016 - 1:22 pm)

I'm pretty sure this is touched on in the Lord of the Rings-- somewhere in the Council of Elrond-- but I'm going to do it here anyway--

The rings were created when Sauron came among the Noldor (one of the strains of Elves) in a fair form. The Noldor were very skilled and fascinated with smith-craft and forging-- now as much as ever, as Celebrimbor, son of Feanor (the crafter of the Silmarils) was currently greatest among them. Under the name of "Annatar" (meaning Lord of Gifts) Sauron entered Eregion, presenting himself as an embassy from the Vanyar (another Elvish strain), and taught them great arts and powers, and they soaked it in eagerly. Then Celebrimbor forged the 16 Rings of Power, things of beauty and great potency. 7 for the Dwarf-lords and nine for Men. These Rings were created with Sauron's aid and knowledge. But Celebrimbor forged also 3 greater Rings, of which Sauron knew nothing, and these were therefore free of that entity's corruption.

Then Sauron forged in secret the One Ring, most powerful of them all. He intended to use this power to bend all the kingdoms of Middle-Earth to his will-- for that was why he had caused the 16 Rings to be made. the One Ring was master of them all, and through it he could control the bearers of all the Rings. However, when Sauron placed the Ring of Power on his finger, the Elves were aware of him, and defied him by withholding the 3 Rings from him. These rings had already been sent away for safety, Vilya and Narya to Gil-galad in Lindon at the time, and Nanya to Galadriel in Lothlorien. Sauron underestimated the strength of these persons-- when they perceived that he was attempting to enthrall them through the 3 Rings, they stopped wearing them. 

Sauron proceeded to attack Eregion, beginning the War of Sauron and the Elves. Celebrimbor was taken captive and compelled to reveal the whereabouts of the 7 and the 9, but would not betray the locations of the 3. Sauron siezed the 16 Rings and used them for his purposes later on-- the 9 rings being given to the lords of Men who eventually became the Nazgul-- but he never discovered the 3.  

 

As to where they got the power from-- many people, particularly those who have only seen the films, or interpret the books through the movies, do not seem quite to grasp how powerful the Elves really are. The Forging of the Rings took place in the Second Age, before the Elves began to fade, and their power was strong. Funnily enough, they do have other things to do with their time besides dancing around on a green screen with wigs and faux-bows. 

submitted by Esthelle (Es-thel-ay, age Anonymous, Rivendell (I wish) ;)
(October 8, 2016 - 3:07 pm)

I agree with Daisy. For me, the Hobbit was one of those books that if you put it down, you would never start reading it again. It took me three tries to get to the last couple of chapters, then I hit a sort of boring part, started reading something else, and never really went back to it. 

submitted by September
(October 8, 2016 - 1:05 pm)

Oh! Thank you, Dragon! :) :) :) 

submitted by Esthelle (Es-thel-ay, age Anonymous, Rivendell (I wish) ;)
(October 8, 2016 - 3:08 pm)

Now, many of you know me as a Tolkienite. But I don't know if I can truly hold that title.

When I first read the books, at 10: I hated them. All that detail just slowed me down and may have in fact, made me not enjoy details as much now as I did then. And unfortunetly, my imagination had started slowing down a couple months before.

Then, at 11 (Yes, it took me a year reading all three books, plus others.) I watched the extended edition of the movies with a couple of friends. My eyes widened. This world was ... Amazing. 

I fell in love with it. I still haven't re-dedicated myself to the books, trying to read them, but I know this: Like Esthelle said, writers of Tolkien's time did that. It really was what they did.

I recently read a book written at about the same time.

http://www.cricketmagkids.com/chatterbox/blababoutbooks/node/260811 

I adored it. And I think it's about time that I returned back to the true homeland of the elves. :)

submitted by Cho Chang
(October 8, 2016 - 3:33 pm)

Gosh. I love LoTR. The thing about the description. I did, I admit, have a hard time getting through the books because of it, but that's my own fault in a way. While the description is dense, it is also beautiful. It makes middle earth come alive. Also, the LoTR trilogy is told to be a great epic, rich and dense and beautiful, not an easy read. The description forces me to concentrate. To pay attention. To listen. The action isn't whack whack, pow pow, it's great battles between mighty armies. The movies are okay, but seriously? Aragorn doubting his ability to be King? Nope. Sorry. Not on my watch. It's totally against his character! Aragorn is flawed yes, but that he is confident in his duty. That ruined them for me. That and the fact that Gimli smashes his axe on the ring, and then a minute later shows up with a new one. Sorry 'bout the nerd rant there. I'm done. XD  

 

submitted by Mirax T. , age 12, The Errant Venture
(October 8, 2016 - 9:44 pm)

I know, right! XD

But as a just-turned-eleven-year-old, my silly little brain doesn't notice those flaws. :D 

submitted by Cho Chang
(October 9, 2016 - 8:05 am)

Yeah, I'm gonna admit that I do have a hard time thinking of Aragorn as anything other than perfect. I mean, I'm know he does have flaws, somewhere, but you only tend to remember how extrodinarily cool he is. XD

submitted by Mirax T. , age 12, The Errant Venture
(October 9, 2016 - 12:40 pm)