CAUTION: SPOILER TO
Chatterbox: Blab About Books
CAUTION: SPOILER TO ANYONE WHO HASNT READ THE ENTIRE HARRY POTTER SERIES
I am reading Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix for maybe the hundredth time, and I have a question. What house does Dolores Umbridge belong to? It's pretty likely that she's in Slytherin, considering how she adores Slytherins and hates all the other houses.
Another thing--is there anyone else who likes Snape? I love him. He was so mistreated as a child and made fun of at Hogwarts, and I feel so bad for him. Also, doesn't it make you sad when Dobby has to bring Winky to the room of requirement because she's drunk? I love Dobby! He's so sweet. In the seventh book, did you cry when he died? I did. I don't think Harry is particularly nice to him.
Tell any thoughts you have about any of the Harry Potter books!
(April 19, 2009 - 2:38 pm)
I'd have to say that Dobby and Tonks were (were! *Sob*) my favorite characters, so yes, I did cry. And no, I don't think Harry really treated anyone very well...a little too self-centered (I hope you're not too much of a fan of Harry himself--if so, sorry!) Did Dolores even go to Hogwarts? I can't remember. And yes, I don't know why so many people hate Snape...I liked him....
(April 19, 2009 - 4:37 pm)
This is one of my favorite Harry Potter books! The movie is awesome. Me my sisters and my friend watched it yesturday, so we would be "ready" for the sixth one which is coming out TODAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm SO SO SO excited! I even have a "Lunaish" outfit: Purple shirt with purple knitted shawl with sleeves and khaki pants, homemade spectraspecs, rootbeer bottle cap necklace, and cardboard radish earrings that stay on with tape (I don't have my ears pierced). Can you tell I'm a luna fan yet? :) I call people who are Luna fans: Luna lovers because Luna's last name has the word love in it and Luna fans Love Luna so henceforth Luna Lover.
(July 15, 2009 - 12:25 pm)
In the sixth book I thought it was so sweet that Tonks fell in love with Lupin! I love Tonks and i think Lupin is pretty cool, and to add to the fact he's a werewolf that makes him even cooler.
P.S.My first and last initials are the same as Harry Potter's!
(July 15, 2009 - 12:29 pm)
I LOVE HP5! Okay, to your questions - I'd assume that Dolores Umbridge is a Slytherin, but one can never be too sure. The Sorting Hat sorta messed up Snape -- he's a Gryffindor if you ask me!
I like Snape, too. Love is a little extreme for me, but definitely like. Rereading HP5 after reading HP7 is a real strange experience. You know that Snape's on the side of the good when you read it. And you feel bad for him.
Harry was not nice to Dobby. Or to house-elves in general. I'm a proud SPEW member.
(April 19, 2009 - 5:29 pm)
i kinda like snape, but my he's my brothers HERO!!!! (even though my brother's in collage)
(April 19, 2009 - 9:16 pm)
I <3 Snape. Also Bellatrix, and Voldy, and Draco, and *is shot*
But then I have a penchant for villains. :)
And in the seventh book, I only cried for Snape and Bellatrix. Call me cruel, call me heartless, whatever. It's true.
(April 20, 2009 - 12:55 am)
In the last one I really liked the white peacocks (Jenjen, if you're reading this: *major winking*). And I do kinda love evil people, too...don't know why. I've forgotten: was there a reason Voldy was evil, or was he just "born" that way? (Don't shoot me! I've truly forgotten!)
(April 20, 2009 - 2:49 pm)
It's hinted at that he was slightly unhinged from the start due to his wizarding family's habit of inbreeding. He grew up with an unfavorable view of Muggles, and knew he was gifted in some way - so naturally he developed a superiority complex early on (hence, his ready acceptance of Dumbledore's news). When Dumbledore showed up, Tom Riddle Jr. took the professor's words as a confirmation of the superiority of wizards to Muggles.
Presumably his hatred of his common name - or anything else that tied him to another person - stemmed directly from his superiority complex. Anything that connects him to other people, who he considers inferior, he viewed as lessening his perceived greatness.
His natural charisma and ability to draw others - even his upperclassmen - into a position of inferiority to himself, coupled with Slughorn's blatant favouritism towards Riddle, likely only made things worse.
Sometime during his years at Hogwarts Riddle became obsessed with his own morality (which I suppose is typical of teenagers). Early on he had viewed magic as a form of immortality (see his belief that his mother couldn't have been magic, or she wouldn't have let herself die). We know that he killed his family before asking Slughorn about Horcruxes - likely he was already planning on making one and merely wanted to make certain that he had gotten the basic process right before trying something so drastic.
If we're speaking chronologically, this is Voldy's Moral Event Horizon*, even though Voldy as been a Big Bad† since the beginning of the series and, in terms of Harry's life, had crossed the MEH as early as book 1, chapter 1.
After Riddle left Hogwarts he started working at Borgin and Burkes, presumably in order to further his already substantial knowledge of the Dark Arts. He gradually became more and more twisted and evil, going so far as to murder an innocent woman in order to get his hands on two objects which he later turned into Horcruxes.
So, no, I don't believe that Voldemort was born evil. I believe that he was born with the /potential/ to become either very evil or very good. A few changes in Dumbledore's original speech, a better orphanage, a lack of favouritism on Slughorn's part- and I believe Tom Riddle Jr. would have stayed Tom Riddle Jr. Either way I think he would have been incapable of neutrality; if he were good he would have been Barty Crouch times about a hundred. As it was he allowed himself to be corrupted by the Dark Arts and we got the major antagonist of the Harry Potter series.
Voldemort ended up as evil as he was, I think, due to a superiority complex, an unhealthy obsession with immortality combined with a fear of death, and, well, poor timing.
I'm curious; what does everyone else think on the subject?
*Moral Event Horizon = an action on the part of a character, villain or hero, which puts him forever out of the range of forgiveness on the part of (most of) the audience. Also, an action on the part of a previously relatively innocent character which sets them irrevocably on the path of wickedness (see Tom Riddle murdering his uncle, father, and grandparents).
†major antagonist.
(April 20, 2009 - 6:07 pm)
I don't believe that anyone is born good or evil, I think that it's a gradual thing. Through important or more obscure events and experiences, a child is shaped into the adult that he or she will inevitably become. With the right upbringing and environment, anyone can flourish, but in Riddle's situation, with a poor orhanage, and, as TNO (yeah, uh-huh, still no umlaut) noted, the doting on of his teachers (Dumbledore probably meant it encouragingly, but Slughorn ust consistently plays favorites), it's interesting see if the person can make the best of things and try to improve the circumstances or is weak enough to succomb to evil (i.e. Riddle).
Are you kidding? Harry most certainly did NOT mistreat Dobby. Sure, he got a bit annoyed at time, but considering some of Dobby's well-meaning but bumbling actions (see PoA), wouldn't you? I mean, Dobby sort of fixed a Bludger to potrentially kill Harry, and, by extension, led to all his arm bones being removed! But for the most part, Harry treated him extremely well. Hermione was WAY overboard with SPEW. I'm with Ron.
(April 21, 2009 - 7:12 pm)
Um, Mary? I agree with you for the most part, but Hermione did NOT go overboard with S.P.E.W.! Lena, did you say you were a member? How do you join; I want to! My favorite characters were probably Hermione and Buckbeak, but I liked them all (except for Ron)!
(June 3, 2009 - 8:14 pm)
Yes, she did. I mean, it's like when real people get obsessed of treatment of animals. It wasn't quite in character with Hermione, either, don't you think?
Whatever was wrong with Ron, Bookworm? He was a loyal friend, and funny, and kind, even if he was a bit, ah, simple-minded.
(June 12, 2009 - 7:14 pm)
Um... I'm not really sure why I didn't like Ron. I just didn't, I guess. And I don't think that people go overboard about the treatment of animals either. If you think they do, fine, but I disagree.
(June 13, 2009 - 1:58 pm)
To each his own. (Though the two of us seem to be disagreeeing a lot of late, wouldn't you say?)
(June 13, 2009 - 3:28 pm)
H'm. Verry suspicious...
*is joking*
(June 14, 2009 - 7:51 am)
Oh, I'm not REALLY a member... that was just figurative speaking.
(June 13, 2009 - 5:07 pm)