Triangles are really
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Triangles are really prevalent in YA books these days. In my opinion, they take away from the main plot (unless the main plot is the triangle) especially dystopians. Shouldn't the MC (usually female) be more concerned of the world's impending doom instead of some guy who is almost always a broody, dark-haired bad boy? And of course there's always the best guy friend who suddenly turns into a major muscular "hottie" in the midst of an apocalypse when there's barely any food around. (Fun fact: you need energy AKA food to burn when you exercise or else you won't be very healthy. Shocker!) But maybe I'm just jealous of the FMCs and their adoring love interests :3
Now, insta-love! It seems that in a bunch of YA novels, two characters' eyes "connect" and they feel "electricity" or something of the like and they're instantly in love with each other! Some people do have gorgeous eyes but... still. You're willing to jump in front of a government agent in order to save your "special" girlfriend/boyfriend who's only being hunted down because he/she is "special"? Again, I may just be jealous but this seems unrealistic to the max and when I read any mention of insta-love! in a summary or in a book, I immediately put it down and hunt for a new novel to devour. I'm a little more tolerant of love triangles because they're a bit more probable (and usually interesting) but they've been really overdone lately. A love square would be nice. Or a love octagon. Or a love sphere!
So what are your thoughts on these controversial lovey-dovey issues in current YA book culture?
(Alas, love triangles are a guilty pleasure of mine and I would like to list books that do it well:
The Hunger Games (Somewhat. I totally disagree with Katniss' choice but I understand)
The Iron King
Whither (I love this trilogy sososososo much but Sever still isn't in the library system :/)
Thanks for listening to my rant and feel free to chime in with one of your own.
The End* :))
(City of Bones has a semi-decent one because it isn't drawn out. I think. I read this book and most of its sequels two years ago but I remember Best Friend!Simon)
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(August 23, 2013 - 7:26 pm)
I think love triangles are super unrealistic because unless you're like the most popular girl in school type, stuff like that never happens. Normally, I just go along with it, though, because why not? I am, however, jealous of the girls in a love triangle.:P
I think insta-love is a real thing, but I also believe that insta-love isn't serious. You may feel struck by lightning, but it's not really very serious or important at that point. I think that when the character meets someone and then they're instantly all kissy and stuff, that's not cool. But, when someone meets someone, fawns over them for a brief second, then tries to get to know them, then I'm happy with it.
My favorite type of love cliche is the one where the two of them hate each other at first then they realize they actually love them. Because that one's the most realistic to me. I've seen it happen.
(August 25, 2013 - 6:09 pm)
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(August 27, 2013 - 9:50 pm)
As a rule, I dislike love triangles. Love intrests, I don't mind, but only when they don't take away from the plot. For instance, Harry Potter's infatuation with Cho Chang and then Ginny Weasley kind of ruined the end of the series for me (but only a little--still love the books.)
*minor spoiler of The Hero and the Crown ahead.*
However, in The Hero and the Crown, there is a sort of a love triangle--i.e., the main character Aerin has this good friend named Tor who kind of loves her but hides it very well, and who really cares for her, but she is blind to it because she is rather preoccupied hunting down dragons. After killing a particularly nasty dragon, she gets seriously injured and has to find healing with the mage, Luthe, who, though not explicitly stated, is the really "handsome-and-romantic" male, though he only comes in the last quarter of the story. Anyway, I didn't find this too annoying, since the male parts were so few and far between, you nearly forgot about them, and there was a kind of tragic ending to it.
*spoiler ended*
So, I swallow love triangles, bitter though they may be. If the girl gets obsessive, however, I am annoyed. One can't think of boys all the time, especially if one has to save the world/kill the villain/becomes the hero/etc.
(August 28, 2013 - 12:08 pm)
OMG.. my mom could rant FOREVER about this! I'm a little more tolerant because I'm of this generation, but YES THEY ARE ANNOYING! I agree with everything in this thread! They take away from the plot too much, and way too often cross the limits, and usually the author has a different perfect way of setting two characters together than you'd like.
Howevvverrrrr.. there are those ones you just can't help liking.. XD
From Peter and the Starcatchers, Peter and Molly was a nice one.. it was also bittersweet since Peter Pan can't grow up, but Molly can.
Of course.. my book characters is a nice one. Best friends, loyal, what's not to love?
The Hunger Games, I don't really care for in the first place, and I just thought the love was too drawn out and... lame.
In Little Women, Joe and Mr. Bhaer are probably one of my favorite couples EVER! Don't watch the movie to decide, please don't, it's a terrible example! But the books are really sweet, and totally awesome. You have to read through the Little Women trilogy to get it all. :)
(August 29, 2013 - 6:04 pm)
A love sphere?
(September 1, 2013 - 12:20 pm)
Imagine how many people would be in that! Whoever it's centered around must be like scared for their life because of all the people stalking them.
(September 1, 2013 - 3:33 pm)
Spheres are also 3-dimensional unlike triangles so they'll probably have more depth :p
(September 2, 2013 - 10:38 am)
I'm just going to be a nerd and point out that to make a love sphere, you would have to have infinite admirers. And presumably a central point, who is the admiree (?). And then maybe some structural support to hold up the sphere, which would make things pretty complicated.
(September 2, 2013 - 11:01 am)
"Insta-love," I hate. I think it's totally unrealistic--well, I'm told that some people do just suddenly get attracted to someone, and so that's fine, but the thing is... Okay, so my feeling on this is that if the two characters have known each other for a while, and there's been foreshadowing and stuff, then it doesn't really count; it's not like they suddenly fell in love; it's that they suddenly realized they're in love... and if they actually are, then that's okay. If the characters have known each other for a while, and there's no evidence that they have any sort of romantic feelings towards each other, and suddenly they do, then that is silly and unrealistic. If the characters just met and it happens to them--love at first sight--I'm told that to an extent, that does happen to people, and so I can't object to it being in a story. However, I don't consider that love. I think TNO said this at some point on another thread--the thing about it is that for the most part the only thing that people have to fall in "love" with in these cases is appearance, and... there is a difference between just physical attraction and... what people usually seem to be talking about when they say love. As someone who's never experienced either, I'm not exactly qualified to talk, but it seems like most people agree that emotional attraction is a necessary component. Often, though, in stories, people fall in love at first sight and assume that that's just... all there is, that this is not just attraction; it's True Love, and there is nothing that could possibly be deeper--and the reader is expected to agree with them! It's hard for me to suspend disbelief like that, and if I do, then I still can't really care about their relationship because it's not based on anything. There's nothing that makes that particular relationship interesting to me as a reader; it's just sort of there.
I am not suggesting that crushes and purely physical attraction and so on can't lead to what most people would agree to be genuine love. What I'm describing is when the reader is expected to believe that two people will be happy spending the rest of their lives together and should care about each other more than anything else in the world solely because they find each other beautiful.
Love triangles, I think, can enhance a story or take away from it. It really depends.
(September 2, 2013 - 1:38 pm)
As most here know, I for one, can't stand romance in general, let alone a love triangle. It seems I can't find a book without there being a romance! That SERIOUSLY drives me insane. Why can't anyone write a good book without some sort of romance, seriously? Why do twelve year olds have to focus on boys/girls so much? At that age, it just strikes me as ridiculous! And the girl in the triangle always seems like a twit in the romance department. Not always, I'll grant, but often. The girl often plays on one person, while liking the other AND FOR WHAT?! Playing with someone's emotions just hurts them and you in the long run.
Insta love, in my opinion, does not exist. It's an infatuation. It's not REAL! Really, you can't just "fall in love at first sight." Sorry, but it simply doesn't exist.
@ Everinne: I totally agree about Harry Potter. I'd always hated that part. Cho simply drove me nuts! She was a complete bimbo and utterly useless! She provided no real use for the story!
@ Blackberry:
I could really decide about Peter and Molly. Of course they could never be, since Peter would never grow up. But then she also liked George, and George simply drove me nuts, and she played both boys along. So the whole thing to me was more bitter than sweet.
FINALLY! Yes, I just LOVED Jo and Mr. Bhaer! If I ever liked a romance, it was always the classics!!! They're one of the few romances I liked! Them, Amy and Laurie (I did. At first, I thought Laurie should be with Jo. But then Mr. Bhaer showed up, and my whole opinion changed.) I also loved Anne Shirley and Gilbert Blythe (really, who couldn't?), Olivia King and Jasper Dale (Road to Avonlea), Felicity and Gus (Road to Avonlea) and Clover and Geoff (Clover, from the What Katy Did series).
Also, about the Hunger Games, I completely agree. I've never cared for it either. It's dark, meaningless death, and the romance is pathetic. All there is to say.
Not all Little Woman movies are bad. If you see the black and white Katherine Hepburn version, I think you'd like it! Katherine Hepburn just WAS Jo! OH MY GOSH! She just was. You can't beat Katherine Hepburn.
So my long anti romance rant is over. Romance is just one of my strongest peeves. Sorry, but it is. I really can't stand it, and have no use for it.
(September 2, 2013 - 7:47 pm)
@ BHR:
Oh my gosh, I totally loved the black and white Little Women with Katharine Hepburn! I really liked the recent one, but KH is Jo like no other actress could be!
(September 3, 2013 - 2:42 pm)
I haven't seen the recent Little Women. I was curious about the Little Women Christmas, but OH MY GOSH IT WAS SO SO SO SO TERRIBLE! It was NOT Little Women! They took a bunch of twits, named them Meg, Jo, Beth, and Amy. Stuck them in a twisted Halloween/Thanksgiving/Christmas romance with some retard guys they called Laurie and John Brook, and called it Little Women! DO NOT WATCH IT! I didn't even see the whole movie! I watched the first ten minutes, and nearly vomited.
Okay, end of that rant. But what version is the newer? Who played Jo? But I agree, Katherine Hepburn was Jo like no one else!
(September 3, 2013 - 8:10 pm)
FINALLY! Someone understands the unetchical insta-love attraction! And pretty much how strange it is that you can't find a single book without romance. Well, almost. I like The Mysterious Benedict Society and that has no romance. Not one of my friends here gets me. Even though crushes are completely real... every girl I know but me has one.
P.S. I can't believe I'm talking (well, writing) to the famous Blonde Heroines Rule!
(October 2, 2013 - 3:48 pm)
FINALLY! Someone understands the unethical insta-love attraction! And the strange fact that there are no books without romance. Well, almost- The Mysterious Benedict Society is great, no romance. (Plus Kate's got blode hair.) Crushes are totally real, though, even though I have none.
P.S. I can't believe I'm talking to the famousBlonde Heroines Rule!
(October 2, 2013 - 3:55 pm)
About Insta-love: it can happen. To me, at least. Not love per se, but developing a crush. And that crush has lasted for a VERY long time, so it's not all baloney, at least. But triangles do take away from a story, pretty much as a rule. The only example i can think of where it doesn't take away from a story is in Game of Thrones, where it just causes more people to be killed/poisoned/tortured/imprisoned.
(September 3, 2013 - 6:54 am)