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HARRY POTTER
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Huy guys, soo sorry I've not been allowed to use this website but NOW

 

(exciuse my errors)

 

I GET TO READ HARRY POTTER!!!!! SOO HAPPY AT LAST! I'M ON THE 3RD BOOK ALREADY AND I LOVE THEM!

 

On the hp website, I took a buncha quizzes. Found out I 

am in Slytherin

am most like Ron.

 

submitted by Blackberry E., age 13
(January 3, 2013 - 1:28 pm)

Cool! I love Harry Potter! I started reading them two years ago this spring. My favorite is the last one, but I really like the third one, too.

submitted by Ivy, age 13, Hogwarts
(January 3, 2013 - 7:52 pm)

TOP!

submitted by Top
(January 8, 2013 - 7:12 pm)

Yeah, I know 2 people who say the 3rd is there favorite. That one is pretty good, but I think the 4rth (the one I'm on) is better,

I just feel like they're too boring. They follow the same formula for each book, and it's really predictable. Like: tortured at his aunt and uncle's\escapes\goes to hogwarts\"strange things" happen\later find out someone's  out to kill him\ fight voldemort\ go back to his parents house. 

 

submitted by Blackberry E., age 13
(January 10, 2013 - 3:52 pm)

I've read all of them. I agree, Goblet of Fire is best! The third is also pretty good. BEWARE THE FIFTH!!!  It is by far the worst! The movie was ok, but the book is terrible! My favorite though, will always be the first when they were young! Don't grow up!

submitted by Blonde Heroines Rule, age unkown, Hogwarts
(January 10, 2013 - 8:15 pm)

@Blonde Heroines Rule: Funny, I just started the 5th one. I'll keep your warning in mind when I read it, though. What did you not like about it??

submitted by Blackberry E., age 13
(January 12, 2013 - 1:36 pm)

@ Blackberry; The writing was poor, Harry was dark through the whole thing, and certain events made it just overall bad. My dad agrees, if he rereads them, he's skipping Order of the Phoenix. Read it through, then tell me what you think. It could just be us.

Cappie says fwik. Sounds like the name of some flame person...

submitted by Blonde Heroines Rule
(January 12, 2013 - 7:14 pm)

OotP was one of my favorites, after HBP, actually. Well, angsty!Harry was annoying but JKR did a really good job of showing that angst is a normal part of teenagerness while still making it clear that it's something that has to be grown out of (which Harry does in HBP). But, anyway, the fifth book had Umbridge and the DA, and huge doses of world building, and moral ambiguity, and best of all, Bellatrix Lestrange! Plus, the removal of one of the characters who annoyed me the most because he was an irritating whiny borderline-antisocial git. And I also think it was the best-written of the series, lacking both the cartoony nature of the earlier books and the hastiness of the last two (to say nothing of DH's haphazard pace...) *deep breath* What's not to like? ...Well I guess there is angsty!capslock!Harry, so fair enough. 

submitted by TNÖ, age 19, Deep Space
(January 13, 2013 - 7:47 pm)

Yeah, only - Harry is a realistic and flawed teenager in terrible circumstances. Harry's an orphan who grew up in an extremely abusive environment; now he's in the magical world only, wait, the entire weight of it is on his shoulders. He's given ridiculous amounts of responsibility, and no one treats him like an adult. Most of the wizarding world thinks he's either insane or an attention-seeking liar. You'd have to be some sort of saint to have all that over your head and not be furious and irrational and destructive, and it's unfair to expect sainthood of a fifteen-year-old.

submitted by ZNZ
(January 13, 2013 - 10:13 pm)

Exactly! And I do appreciate the realism of it; it's portrayed as a natural result of all the horrible things Harry has been through combined with him being flattened by the freight train that is adolescence, BUT even though the behavior is realistic, it still annoys me, in the same way that I can look back on my *own* bad teen years and cringe even while I understand exactly why I acted the way I did. So, while I applaud J.K.R. for being sensible about the phenomenon, his character in OotP still irritates me.

 

submitted by TNÖ, age 19, Deep Space
(January 14, 2013 - 8:50 am)

Well, I don't know if it really portrays how teenagers would act in that situation. He was still, overall too dark for me, and even though "that character" was rather whiny through a lot of it, he was still a good character, whom I was sad when died.  Also, I thought that the whole part in the Ministry of Magic was really weird and poorly portrayed.  I liked it in the movie far better. Now, this is not the sole reason I don't like this book, but, forgive me I really couldn't stand Cho in it! She was so annoying!!!! And I really didn't like how they had to bring romance into a deeper level in this. Yes, it was in Goblet of Fire, but to this point. I really don't see any use in romance at 15. It's ridiculous. So, all of that played a large factor into my not liking it. Plus, Umbridge was far too annoying in the book. It just left a bad taste in my mouth.

submitted by Blonde Heroines Rule, age ageless, Hundred Acre Woods
(January 15, 2013 - 11:05 pm)

@Blonde Heroines Rule:

TEAL DEER AHOY. A lot of it. Also spoilers for OotP, but they're marked.

Out of curiosity, are you a teenager? Because if you're not... um, it's rough. And I say this as someone who had an extremely mild time of it in comparison to 99% of the population, because I didn't—and still don't—experience attraction towards anyone. But, yeah, the early years of teenagerdom—12-13, for me—were like a never-ending cycle of misery and being absolutely furious with basically everything and everyone.

I mean, I outright loathed basically anyone I came across and my "friends" were the people whose company I could tolerate enough to not bite their heads off every two seconds. Barely. I got into almost daily shouting matches with my mother, extreme mood swings (I mean, one minute I would be in a murderous rage and the next I would be in the absolute depths of self-loathing for absolutely no reason whatsoever) experience about one anxiety attack per month (not all of them were completely debilitating, but the ones that were left me even more out of sorts for days on end), give or take, got smacked in the face with extreme chronic insomnia for no reason whatsoever (and not helped by the fact that my mother thought I was faking it for attention, but that's another matter entirely and unrelated to adolescence), and deliberately sabotaged my own education because I simply could not bring myself to care (I could have gotten straight A's without much effort, and did in the classes that actually interested me [English, mostly]; in everything else I averaged high C's because I never did any homework and occasionally fell asleep over tests). 

And despite all that, I was widely considered to be unusually level-headed by the adult figures in my life (sans mother, who got the worst of it—although in comparison to my sister, I was quite level-headed). Admittedly, this was at least partly because I didn't (and still don't) give much outward sign of what I felt—I've always been the type to silently stew instead of exploding when I'm feeling particularly emotional (except with mother, as I mentioned).

I also basically stopped doing all of the above (except the insomnia—I still have that today and have been clinically diagnosed and have medication for it) around the time I turned 14. Most of the people I know didn't peter out until several years later—there's a very good reason I didn't really have any real life friends during my freshman and sophomore years in high school, because all my peers were still busy having their brains eaten by wildly osscilating hormone levels. 

So the point I'm trying to make is that making the transition from "child" to "adult" is really, really, really emotionally and mentally stressful and you basically turn into a self-centered, highly emotional, out-of-control brat regardless of how nice or rational you happen to actually be. It's just a thing: your brain is merrily reorganizing itself without the slightest respect for how you feel about it, and you're being flooded daily with all these hormones that make you feel EXTREME and often conflicting emotions over the SLIGHTEST stimulii—which is why teens are often portrayed at equating, say, a minor squabble with a friend to armaggeddon. The only thing you can do really is sing as you go, but you also don't feel much like singing.

And Harry, in addition to all that nonsense, (1) has a psychotic, genocidal maniac trying to kill him, and (2) lives under a government that is actively trying to discredit and render powerless him and the people who are trying to protect him from the aforementioned genocidal maniac. 

In consideration of all that, I say Harry's acting like a self-centered and out-of-control brat is completely understandable, even if it makes me want to shake him and tell him he's being an idiot. Because he is.

**MAJOR SPOILERS FOR GOF AND ONWARDS SPOILERS! FROM HERE TO THE END OF THE POST! LOTS OF SPOILERS!**

Everything bad that happens to him after he gets to Hogwarts in Fifth Year is ENTIRELY HIS FAULT, because he can't keep his temper in check, can't watch his mouth, can't simply keep his head down and ignore Umbridge's goading, and refuses to stop and think sensibly about anything. Yes, Umbridge went out of her way to provoke him, and yes, Snape towed the line of actually sabotaging their Occlumency lessons by using them at least in part as a vehicle to torment Harry (although strictness-bordering-on-verbal-abuse does kind of seem to be Snape's default teaching strategy, so I don't think he was TRYING to sabotage the lessons—it's just that his caustic personality and teaching style and his hatred for and inability to behave like an adult with regards to Harry really don't mix well), and yes, Harry was under a lot of pressure from all sides.

But ultimately the only person who is responsible for Harry's actions is Harry. If he hadn't mouthed off to Umbridge, he wouldn't have been put in all those detentions. If he'd controlled his temper on the Quidditch pitch, he wouldn't have been kicked off the team. If he'd bothered to put EVEN THE SLIGHTEST EFFORT into the techniques Snape tried to teach him, he'd have learnt how to do Occlumency properly. If he'd practiced self-restraint and not gone trawling through Snape's pensieve, his Occlumency lessons would have continued. If he'd done those last two, he probably wouldn't have had That Vision. And even if he HAD had That Vision, if he'd bothered to stop and think about it, he'd either have realized (a) that Hermione was right and it didn't make sense and that they should TELL AN AUTHORITY FIGURE WITH CONNECTIONS TO THE ORDER, EVEN IF IT'S SNAPE, or (b) remembered about the two-way mirror; either way, he wouldn't have gone to the Ministry and Sirius wouldn't have died.

And Harry realizes this. And that's why it's okay that everything is his fault, from a reader's perspective anyway. He screwed up MAJORLY in OotP, and he pays for it in the form of horrible punishments and ultimately Sirius's death. And I'm convinced that part of the reason Harry gets so, so upset in Dumbledore's office afterwards is that he knows it's all his fault (and not like how he thinks Cedric was his fault—there's literally no way Harry could have known what would happen and he was honestly trying to do the decent thing, ergo Cedric's death wasn't Harry's fault) and he's projecting his anger with himself at Dumbledore. 

But the point is, as soon as Harry realizes what a brat he's been, he grows up post haste. There is no sign of angsty!capslock!Harry in HBP; he's by no means perfect, but he's stopped being an impulsive, rage-filled jerk. Character development, and LOTS of it. 

Cho is also adrift in the sea of Being A Teenager, and she hasn't exactly had it easy either; her boyfriend was murdered less than a year ago, a fact which the Ministry has been blithely covering up and minimalizing in its quest to discredit Harry's and Dumbledore's story about Voldemort's return, and she's vaguely infatuated with the only witness to said former boyfriend's death. And Harry, especially angsty!capslock!Harry, is really, really insensitive and tactless and doesn't know how to deal with his feelings for Cho. Of course it all blows up in their faces on the first date. 

I don't speak from personal experience here, but most (all but one) of my friends and my sister dated pretty seriously in high school (well, as seriously as you can get in high school, which appears to consist of hanging out whenever possible and snogging in hallways a lot. And then having a big emotional blowup and gossiping nastily about each other post-break-up. I don't get it, but everyone does it to a greater or lesser extent. High school was weird) and the awkward I-like-you-you-like-me-but-we-have-no-idea-how-to-relate-to-each-other-outside-of-awkwardly-kissing thing seemed standard for most relationships, at the start at least. Occassionally a couple would get beyond that and then they would just be like friends who happened to kiss each other sometimes and get jealous over weird things (...I think? That's what it looked like to me...), but mostly it was the emotional rollercoaster/inability to communicate properly thing that Cho and Harry did.

So, again, it was pretty realistic in that teenagers, generally speaking, WANT to be in relationships for... some... reason... but are also REALLY REALLY BAD at it, and they're too impatient to just wait until their hormones and things have calmed down to have a go at it, so they just make an utter mess of things usually. And I applaud JK for managing to show that without being totally annoying or derailing her ACTUAL plot. (The same goes for the entirely natural growth of the Harry/Ginny relationship—they're good friends, they have chemistry, they're attracted to each other, it's not immediate TWU WUB, they're sensible about it, they last all of six months before breaking up on good terms—that seems about average for 16/17-year-olds in relationships, from what I've seen, although the "good terms" part is hugely variable and most relationships don't, obviously, end because of the threat of insane evil maniacs)

I mean, Harry's not a kid any more. He's not going to act like one. 

As for Sirius: He's an arrogant, emotionally immature jerk and his treatment of Harry is frankly appalling. I mean, he essentially clings to him because he expects Harry to be a carbon copy of James, and Harry isn't, and even if he were, that's a terribly damaging thing to do to anyone, especially to someone like Harry, who (a) grew up unwanted and unloved and (b) is going through the previously-discussed Year of Horribleness. It basically gives the subconscious message that Sirius doesn't care about Harry himself and only "likes" him because he is a reminder of somebody else. Also, in general Sirius acts like an entitled fifteen-year-old (his behavior is alarmingly similar to Harry's at times; sulking because he doesn't want Harry to go back to school, anyone? Purposefully going against Dumbledore's orders—which are for his own protection—to escort Harry to the platform when he knows that the Death Eaters know about his Animagus form AND that everyone outside the Order thinks he's a lunatic criminal working for Voldemort and that he would probably be executed or shipped to the Dementors for a Kiss were he discovered? And the fact that the only difference between Snape's memory!Sirius and today!Sirius is that the past one was less angsty, a change wrought by the Dementors? To say nothing of refusing to see the "feed Snape to Lupin!" thing as anything but an amusing joke. Yeah...)

I do like him. I do. But I also want to slap him and tell him to grow up and caking act his age because he is basically an emotionally stunted teenager.

And finally, on Umbridge: She wasn't annoying, she was heinous. She was every sadistic, unreasonable, pig-headed, patronizing, sickeningly-sweet, toady teacher ever to torment a student rolled into one delicious, fluffy ball of horribleness, PLUS the worst kind of governmental corruption and beaurocratic stupidity personified. And she wore fuzzy pink sweaters and liked kittens and excessive sugar in her tea. She was like an evil, deliberately stupid/un-chessmastery Margolotta.

(I know that probably means nothing to you. That's okay. Just know that Lady Margolotta is one of my absolute favorite characters in the Discworld series and she is, while not evil, not a very nice person at all, but she makes a show of being overly sweet/a vampire's idea of what a human "motherly" person would be like (fluffy pink sweaters [with bats on], chintz upholstery, passive-aggressively patronizing, that sort of thing...) and she appears to very much like "accidentally" pressing people's buttons to see what happens when they get upset or angry. She's also a lot smarter than Umbridge and far less corrupt, but the similarity is there.)

And that's awesome. Because Umbridge, unlike Voldemort, is utterly, utterly loathesome. Voldemort had a bad childhood and that, combined with his sociopathy, sent him down the path to being the cruel, evil psychopath he is in Harry Potter. But he's also pretty generic, as villains go. His backstory is interesting, but nothing particularly new. He appears to feel no emotions except hatred and rage and narcissistic self love. He's boring.* Umbrigde, on the other hand...

*That said, Tom Riddle has all kinds of potential for being pushed in different directions. Which is why Voldemort is one of my least favorite characters and Tom Riddle is one of my favorites. Don't question me. :D 

There is something about characters that wear fluffy pink sweaters and like adorable little kittens that just makes me go "awwww..." Even though I, personally, don't care much for either—my clothing aesthetic runs more to cool, muted colors and varying shades of grey, and I think certain species of birds and reptiles are cuter than kittens (usually. I make exceptions for extremely cute kittens...), characters who like them to excess just... it gives them a lot of character, and it does so in different ways depending on what they're like.

Because, you see, with Margolotta—who is mostly on the protagonist's side when she appears in the Discworld books, and moreover is portrayed as capable of actually being nice when it suits her and is generally a more likeable character than Umbridge—the insistence on fluffy sweaters and whatnot is adorable and a bit, er, sad? (that's not really the right word. melancholy, perhaps? but there's always something a bit... forlorn about non-humans who try to act human and get it almost right. Look at the Doctor for a prime example) (it's also a sign of the fact that she's a *reformed* vampire who doesn't drink human blood—they go a bit nuts because of it, see). Umbridge, on the other hand, is generally an unpleasant but nevertheless sacchrine and pseudo-motherly person, and in her case the cutesy vibes make her seem more childish than huggable.

In both cases, however, it serves to humanize the characters—Margolotta because she is obviously trying very hard to appear human, even though she doesn't get it quite right, and Umbridge because it's a sign that she's not an unfeeling evil robot Ministry lackey: she has things that she likes, and they're cute, stereotypically girly things. And that makes her blind adherence to Ministry policy less inhuman, more actual loyalty to the Ministry itself. I always got the sense that she was so antagonistic to Harry not out of sadism so much as (a) a deep love for the Ministry itself and everything it stands for—order in chaos, protection from danger, that sort of thing, even if the current powers aren't very good at it (and she associates this mostly with status quo anyway—in her view, as long as things stay the same FOR HER, she's safe), and (b) extreme fear that Harry is right and her precious Ministry really is doing the exact opposite of what it's supposed to. And, like frightened people are wont to do, she lashes out at the thing she percieves as causing the problem (Harry) instead of thinking rationally and realizing that the problem is a conflict between what she BELIEVES the Ministry is, and what the Ministry ACTUALLY is (and probably what she believes about HERSELF vs. what she actually DOES as well). 

It's sad. I feel sorry for her, because she's demonstrably human and she has human emotions and human fears and therefore she is deserving of pity.

At the same time, she is, as I said, loathesome. She's a terrible person who does terrible things. She's speciesist (werewolves, halfbreeds, Muggleborns), she happily accepts Voldemort's regime in DH, she actively obstructs the one of the most important parts of the entire school's curriculum and does her best to stick her fingers into the rest of it as well, she antagonizes any students who don't fall in line with her extremely narrow views, she's slavishly devoted to the Ministry to the point that she is incapable of questioning it AT ALL no matter how badly it's acting, she appears to take great joy in physically torturing her students (the blood quill). She's petty, and unreasonable, and arrogant, and willfully stupid, and generally just unpleasant.

She's not Voldemort—she's not actively genocidal, she doesn't go out and murder people (sentence innocent Muggleborns to be Kissed, yes, set a Dementor on Harry, yes, but were she to actually, personally kill someone, I'd bet money she would be traumatized by it, because she's not a psychopath, she's just very good at doublethink and rationalizations, i.e., handing people over to Dementors isn't bad because they go against the Ministry and therefore they MUST be bad and deserving of being Kissed. She's wrong, but so long as she doesn't have to witness the aftermath or the actual Kiss itself, she doesn't have to think about what she's doing.) Anyway, the fact that she, unlike Voldemort, clearly has things she cares about, is not a narcissist, has recognizeable emotions, and yet is still this horrible, evil person, makes her a really, really fascinating character. She's deliciously vile, and it's her humanity, not her vileness, that provokes the most violent emotional reactions. There's a very good reason that a lot of people hate her exponentially more than they hate Voldemort. She's recognizeably human, and hits closer to home because of it. 

She's the sort of character you love to hate, unlike Voldemort, whom you hate because he's the antagonist and obviously evil and you're supposed to hate him. ...Am I making any sense at all whatsoever? I feel like I'm not. But I'll stop because this is already way too TL;DR.

**END RANT AND SPOILERS** 

For the record, yes, I am aware that I am extraordinarily long-winded when I rant about Harry Potter. #Icanquitanytime

submitted by TNÖ, age 19, Deep Space
(January 16, 2013 - 9:51 pm)

Wow. That was long and it makes so much sense as to be terrifying.

\\Spoilers for GoF (AND ON) and LotR//

But I have one thing to point out. You said that people hate Umbridge because she is more human and whatnot. That is true, but Joe Public's idea of the true villain is also tied with their interaction with the protagonist.

A villain who sits on a throne giving out nasty orders all day is only slightly "bad". Xe doesn't get xir hands dirty, xe just tells other people to. A villain becomes more hate-able if they directly antagonize the MC. Take Sauron, for example. He's just an eye on a tower, not very scary. But the Ring, which is essentially still Sauron, is infinitely more hate-able because it acts directly on both Frodo and Bilbo. Throughout the LotR trilogy and "Hobbit", too, we can all see their minds being affected by this thing, even though Sauron is "officially" the villain.

The same thing goes for HP. "Officially", Voldemort is the antagonist, but he doesn't really directly interact with Harry until GoF. Even then, he just makes Pettigrew kill Cedric, who, while a relatively important charcter, has only entered the scene in GoF as an opposing love interest and a fellow Triwizard participant who may or may not be evil. To put it frankly, Voldemort doesn't actually do much of anything bad.

Let's list them: 1. Kills Harry's parents, gives him the scar. This could be counted as direct interaction, but it happened before TSS for the most part. It's referenced in the later books, and there's even a tearjerker when Snape discovers that Lily is dead, but that's it. 2. Kills Cedric. Not good enough, as he wasn't really a character loved by the masses. 3. Lures Harry into the Ministry of Magic so that lots of things can happen. I have a hard time figuring out where to put this. It wasn't directly evil, but it caused a lot of bad things to happen. 4. Issued a Terrifying Ultimatum. 

Other than that, there's a lot of I'm-going-to-kill-you-Harry-oh-wait-I'll-talk-to-you-instead going on. Voldemort, as you said, is a rather generic neutral evil. Really not all that exciting. 

Umbridge, on the other hand, has a lot of misdeeds to her name. Detention with the blood quill. "The Cruciatus Curse ought to loosen your tongue." Her need to provoke Harry at every opportunity. Her blatant favoritism of the Slytherin house. Her prejudice against half-breeds and Muggle-borns. The list goes ON AND ON. This is her directly antagonizing Harry. Joe Public will spring to defend a beloved character (and it doesn't even have to be Harry. Hermione's Muggle-born) who is being directly attacked rather than one who is being threatened from afar.

I should probably stop. This is becoming too long, by my standards.

submitted by L
(January 17, 2013 - 10:30 am)

@ TNO: Yes, I see where you're coming from.  I can't say what age I am, but I fully understand the difficulty of that transition.  Yes, Harry does act, I suppose, how someone in that situation would react, I guess in a way, I compare him to myself, and how I would react. Me, as my mom says, I'm more the motherly, bite my tongue type.  But still, he is very annoying, and not basing it on real life, in my opinion, wasn't overly necessary, and not to the point Jk Rowling made it.  Now, I won't go into the romance factor, that would be at least 50 more paragraphs, but I will tell ya'll this. Read Before You Meet Prince Charming.  It will help my viewpoint. And Cho, nevertheless, was still, and in my opinion, was always, a self-absorbed twit who liked way too many guys at once!  She needs to go lock herself in a closet and wait several years before interacting with ANYONE!  She was a pretty much useless character, other than to help Harry stay angry all the time, because of HER ridiculous mood swings!  Ugh.

*spoiler*

I had never really thought about Umbridge like that, but I should have, me being a Christian! I'm rather dissapointed in myself. But then again, I really have to question her. Anyone who can blithely torture someone like that, despite her blindness and loyalty, well, I really have to wonder about them. Though, I can't TOTALLY deny her style... (I know) But I REALLY do like pink and pretty!!! And I LOVE sweet tea! Cold, sweet southern tea! BEST thing there is, (well, okay, coffee might be better). But anyway, getting off subject. Also, Sirius. Yes, I DO agree with you, he was like Harry in many ways, like an emotionally stunted teenager. That I will whole heartedly agree with you on. I liked him far better in the movie. Anyhoot, in all, there's really lots of ways to take Harry in this book.  You definitely want to ring his neck through the whole thing, but you can also take it like a grain of salt.  It really just depends on the person I suppose.

*spoiler*

This is just random to Blackberry and others, so you can read this if you want to or not, but I know I like to be warned, so this for others out there like me. In Deathly Hallows, you WILL cry your ever lovin' heart out! Just to let you know. There, you are warned.  My ridiculously long rant is over.

submitted by Blonde Heroines Rule
(January 17, 2013 - 5:45 pm)

**SPOILERS AGAIN! ALL THE SPOILERS!**

@L: 

Yes! Excellent point. And it's not even necessarily that Umbridge has *more* direct interaction with Harry than Voldemort (although she does), but all of her attacks on Harry are a lot more personal, too. Voldemort kills people around Harry and at one point manipulates him into doing a stupid thing. Umbridge, as you said, makes Harry carve words into his own hand repeatedly such that he is left with a permanent scar, blithely (attempts to) uses the Cruciatus Curse at the drop of a hat, and increasingly makes his life a living hell with the whole "belittle him until he snaps and then slap him with a disproportionately horrible detention as punishment for it" thing. And Quidditch, of course.

I mean, Cedric's death (and heck, Peter killed Cedric, not Voldemort—Voldemort only ordered it) was terrible and it caused Harry significant trauma, but he was able to be happy in spite of it (nightmares notwithstanding), whereas Umbridge does her best to destroy anything that gives Harry any kind of pleasure whatsoever. 

And yeah, Voldemort does essentially nothing but prance around in the shadows and give orders and make snide remarks. He kills… what, six people that we hear about for sure over the course of the series (I'm not counting the Riddles or Hepzibah Smith, because JKR draws such a firm distinction between Tom Riddle Jr. and Voldemort that they're effectively different characters). There's James and Lily, Frank Bryce, Bertha Jorkins, that throwaway character from the first war that Moody mentions once who Voldemort, and Moody himself. Oh! And Charity Burbage. Am I forgetting anyone? That's… seven named characters whom Voldemort does away with in-series. One of them is a throwaway who is never mentioned again and serves only to world-build, two are dead before the story even properly begins, and three could be considered bit parts AT BEST. Of the seven, Moody's the only one who's a major character at the time of his death. And only ONE of those seven is shown onscreen (page?) (the James and Lily flashbacks don't really count).

Considering the sheer number of people who die over the course of the books, Voldemort's seven seems like not very much. He's such an omnicidal maniac, donchaknow.

 

@Blonde Heroines Rule:

I'm a little confused by what you mean when you say "not basing it on real life… wasn't overly necessary"? Contextually, I'm getting the impression that you think JKR could have scaled back the realism significantly without damage to the books as a whole (in which case, I disagree with you, because angsty!capslock!Harry needed to go through an angsty!capslock!phase in order to grow as a character so that he would be ready to defeat Voldemort—angsty!capslock!Harry couldn't have done what Harry did in DH). But… double negative? (Sorry. I'm in German right now and I'm having trouble reading English in general…)

And I'm with you on the angsty!capslock!Harry is annoying front. Just because it was understandable and necessary (narratively speaking) doesn't mean it didn't make me want to smack him.

 

To be fair to Cho, again, she's sixteen. Sixteen-year-olds aren't renowned for their sensibility or thoughtfulness. And, um, it's not like people can control who they're *romantically* attracted to. Well known phenomenon, and it's often exaggerated in literature to the point that I've often gotten the impression that attraction is little more than self-inflicted lite mind control because, er, you don't have any influence over who you're attracted to. (Being able to control one's actions with regards to that attraction, of course, is another matter entirely).

And Cho is, yes, attracted to Cedric and Harry at the same time. I think that's actually fairly common? I mean, it's not as if the part of your brain that *does* that switches off after deciding you like one person. Because that's not how the brain works, it doesn't make arbitrary distinctions like that.

However, what Cho doesn't do is lead them both on at once. While she's dating Cedric, she's attracted to Harry, a little, but when he asks her out she nevertheless turns him down. I mean, it's clear she's flattered, and that were she not going with Cedric she would have accepted, but she doesn't do the Bella Swan thing and string Harry along. Her response is basically, "Oh, Harry, I'm really sorry, but I've already promised to go with Cedric." Which is the most decent thing she could have done in that situation, honestly.

And even after Cedric is dead, Cho still clearly feels guilty about her attraction to Harry because she feels it's disrespectful to Cedric's memory. It's not like Cedric dies and she immediately starts hanging on to Harry, you know. 

As for the closet thing: adolescence is supposed to be a time of emotional growth, during which you learn about yourself and about how to act in new social situations (like dating) and locking oneself in a closet for the duration would kind of defeat the purpose. For an example, see Sirius, whose emotional immaturity is largely due to the fact that he hasn't interacted with anyone except Dementors since he was like twenty.

With regards to Umbridge: I get the impression that she is legitimately a sadist (her reactions to Harry's obvious pain after the blood quill and eagerness to use the Cruciatus would certainly indicate such), but she also honestly doesn't believe she is. I mentioned that I think she's probably inordinately good at doublethink? 

So I think she's deluded herself into believing that she *isn't* sadistic, by believing something along the lines of "The Ministry is there to serve and protect->It serves and protects ME just find->The Ministry is doing a good job->Anyone who does NOT feel adequately served and protected by the Ministry feels that way because there is something wrong with THEM->Dissenters are obviously halfbreeds or otherwise unworthy of the Ministry's services and protection->Those dissenters should be punished for their entitlement in WANTING to be protected and served by the Ministry->I am punishing them in the Ministry's name and therefore it is not torture and any pleasure I get out of it is PURELY a result of seeing justice doled out in an entirely fair manner."

That sort of thing. She uses her devotion to the Ministry as an EXCUSE to minimize and ignore unwanted personality traits, i.e. sadism.

I can't stand sugar in my tea. Or milk, for that matter. /offtopic

Ew, I didn't like movie!Sirius. Mostly because I hate Gary Oldman in everything except the Dark Knight trilogy.

submitted by TNÖ, age 19, Deep Space
(January 17, 2013 - 8:49 pm)

Happy unbirthday to all who read this post, unless of course, it is your ununbirthday. (Yes, I just got through wathing Alice in Wonderland, and I think the mad hatter rubed off on me).

@ TNO: Yeah, Cho didn't string Harry along, but she was still mind nummingly maddening (excuse me if that sounds weird or doesn't quite fit, I often say things that only I understand or makes sense to).*spoiler*  And the way she just flew off the handle at Harry over the whole thing with Hermione was just ridiculous!  Harry WASN'T saying anything all that offensive, and I understand getting hurt by things, but that was just, again, ridiculous! Plus, the fact that she was a whole year older than Harry also kinda put a sour taste in my mouth. Please, don't ask me to explain that one, it would turn into a WHOLE other ridiculously long discussion! ANYHOOT! End of spoiler.

And yes, Harry did need that phase to become the awsome hero he is, but still, I think they made him a little too dark. And frankly, they carried that into the next book. Which, yes, I can see him being that way due to what he was dealing with, but still. And *spoiler*, the romance factor in HBP was WAY too much!  Romance, romance, romance, who needs so much romance? It's all rather pointless and ridiculous!  So, maybe locking one's self in a closet defeats the purpose, but all in all, I dislike Cho strongly! An unnecessary character, if you ask me.  

And finally, Sirius.  I understand why many people would not like him, but still, he was Harry's family, though annoying, yet Harry was heartbroken when he died.  I will always like him as a character, though, again, in the movie better than the book.  

Well, I guess I don't propose a strong case. This whole post is rather more oppinionated, but oh well. I bring you to the end of my ridiculously (yes, I do use ridiculous a lot) opinionated rant. You may all sleep peacefully tonight.

 

submitted by Blonde Heroines Rule
(January 24, 2013 - 6:06 pm)