Because, for various
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Because, for various reasons, I have been thinking and writing about Potter a lot lately.
And that's "a lot" to the point of writing an essay about the goblins. Which I will post bits of in a minute. Anyway, the point of this thread is so that those who are so inclined can, well, rant about Harry Potter. Overanalysis is fun! :D
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And I have some thoughts on the goblins I would like to share. It's a bit disjointed because I'm skipping over the more rambly bits of a four-page essay. Feel free to skip over these if you want because can you say "pointless minutia"?
If the goblins built Gringotts, it follows that they are both skilled architects and highly comfortable underground. This combined with their proclivity to metalsmithing* suggests a mining culture, even, perhaps, a predominantly-underground civilization. They obviously must have more topside buildings in addition to Gringotts to pander to wizardkind, however--this could be a concession made following the Goblin Wars of the medieval period and later rebellions in the 17th century** and thus an additional sore point in goblin-wizard relations.
*much is made in-series of goblin-made objects, in particular the sword of Gryffindor but also armor and the Prewett tiara that Fleur wore at her wedding, and I believe some of the dishes in 12 Grimmauld place were fine goblin-wrought silver.
**we can only assume that the goblins lost these wars, since wizardkind is firmly in control--the goblins have Gringotts, yes, but the Ministry itself only has the Goblin Liason office, which is implied to be pretty low on the heirarchy if I recall correctly. Also, like other non-human magical beings, they are denied the use of wands.
It's interesting that we never meet any female goblins. This could indicate a prevalence of sexism in goblin society--females should stay at home while the males go to work--or some kind of matriarchal system in which the females direct everything behind the scenes. Although my personal head!canon (and I'm allowed to do this because there is absolutely no evidence whatsoever in favor of any of these three theories over the others) is that goblins are agendered and reproduce through some kind of parthenogenesis. (They're magical beings; I'm sure it's in the phase space somewhere.)
Goblins are shown to have financial interests in Egypt, employing wizarding Curse Breakers to disarm and, presumably plunder ancient tombs. This suggests that goblins either (a) made these treasures and therefore still own them under goblin law, or (b) take a finders-keepers approach to the long-dead, or (c) have no scruples about stealing from wizards. On the whole, (c) seems the most likely, given that there is no mention of Egyptian goblins in canon and a species that puts so much emphasis on how absolutely no good horrible awful theft is* would hold views like (b).
*it's heavily implied that the perceived theft of the sword of Gryffindor was what started the Goblin Wars in the first place.
They're said to be ruthless negotiators, not to be crossed and nigh impossible to gain an upper hand against or trick. This might be a recent change, given that they've obviously gotten the short end of the stick in their historical dealings with wizards, but it might indicate that they sneakily put one over on wizardkind--they do, after all, control the entirety of magical Britain's economy*.
*they mint the money and run the only bank in magical Britain.
On the whole, goblins strike me as a proud group, resentful of wizardkind due to the centuries of fighting and prejudice they've receieved, but I think they're too shrewd to let on. Most of the wizarding world is convinced of their general trustworthiness* and that's very much to the goblin's advantage. Goblins have been effectively crippled over the years--after each rebellion they've probably had their rights lessened as punishment** and I wouldn't be surprised if they weren't allowed to have a military force--so they have sought (and found) a modicum of control through money.
*see previous note about the economy.
**the sheer amounts of casual anti-goblin prejudice, even from characters who are shown to care about Muggleborn or even house-elf rights, is telling, as is the fact that goblins are obviously marginalized--there is no mention of them outside metalsmithing (all of which took place several generations ago at the very earliest) and banking--which suggests that they face a fair amount of oppression from wizardkind.
(April 21, 2012 - 3:24 am)
Whoa. This is good.
(April 28, 2012 - 11:26 am)
I tend to overthink things. It's a very serious problem and I would get help but it amuses me too much.
(April 29, 2012 - 6:02 am)
I tend to overthink things too! The other day, I overthunk something totally ridiculous, and it was funny, but I can't remember what it was. I actually failed a state test because I "overthought" a lot of the questions. I just overthought something yesterday. The saying "you are what you eat" indicates that we are all cannibals! Overthinking can get you into dangerous situations. Just because this is a Harry Potter rant thread, I think that Ron is treated as disposable a lot. Think "Harry Potter and the Philosopher's* Stone" the chess scene.
*Since this seems to be a footnote friendly thread, why don't they just leave it philosopher's stone and not change it to Sorcerer's Stone? I am not British, but I am a purist.
I really don't know why. But I do know that some words have different meanings in British English vs. American English, so maybe it has something to do with that--trying to keep the meaning the same across The Pond.
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(May 27, 2012 - 8:39 am)
I believe the American editors thought American children wouldn't want to read a book with "philosopher" in the title... because American children are dumb or something. I don't know. Given the mythology, of course, "sorcerer's stone" doesn't even make sense. At any rate, "philosopher's stone" means the same here as it does there, and some editors are just silly.
What do you mean by "disposable?" Because they wouldn't have been able to get through the chess room without Ron's expertise, which would mean he's the opposite of disposable even if he did get knocked out at the end of the game.
(June 5, 2012 - 8:57 pm)
I mean that he seems to be the one that constantly gets left out of things. (Time Traveling in Harry Potter and the Prisoner...) He just seems like one of the people that are necessary to the story but is the first one to get kicked out of an adventure. He also seems to get hurt a lot more than other people.
(June 8, 2012 - 6:33 pm)
"overthunk"? Really?
(July 26, 2012 - 7:09 pm)
I was wondering why in HP, J.K. Rowling says that magic can't make food, but in one book, Mrs. Weasly makes soup come out of her wand and in the Triwizard Tournament, when Harry has his wand tested, and wine shoots out of it. Also, couldn't you make food if you transfigured something into a apple, or an apple tree.
Does anyone know any other times in HP when there is "magical" food?
(July 4, 2012 - 5:14 pm)
It only says that you can't make food out of thin air, which means that you can transfigure it, summon it, or increase the quantity. Wine isn't technically food, it's drink, and I'm assuming that Mrs. Weasely is just taking the soup from the pot and is channelling it through her wand. Hope that makes sence.
(July 5, 2012 - 10:07 pm)
Thanks for clearing that up, it was bothering me.
(July 8, 2012 - 1:55 pm)
You guys seem like you know a lot about Harry Potter... What's a Death Eater?
(July 9, 2012 - 5:10 pm)
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A supporter of Voldemort. Death Eaters include Walden Macnair, Narcissa Malfoy, Bellatrix Lestrange, etc.
(July 9, 2012 - 7:21 pm)
Got it. Sorry, the word came up in the 101 Ways to Annoy Lord Voldemort thread I post on and I only read the first book.
(July 10, 2012 - 6:56 pm)
I loved your rant/historical essay. I ought to write one of those sometime. I overthink things more than anyone else I know; it annoys the cake out of lots of people, and it's caused me trouble on standardized tests, too, but I really enjoy it. Anyway, I don't know how to stop. At least it makes me good at logic and analysis!
(July 18, 2012 - 1:19 pm)